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« on: December 06, 2021, 03:22:12 AM »
hello to all. as the tiltle says bam afr when idle=0.95 when auq afr=1 when idling.
i would like to make bam ecu afr=1 when at idle.
could someone point all the maps needed. until now i have edited cats...etc but no luck.
i made many changes but cannot find the solution. i am not a professional and trying to learn.
changes are made with winols. and until now i have managed to tune almost everything i need
reading thiw fantastic forum.
LC with nls and everything useful and not useful.
Thank you all in advance for all the knowledge provided.
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2021, 01:13:21 AM »
I would do an datalog at idle and lok at what requested AFR is, if its requesting 1.0 then most likley the maps are good, unless you've changed something else. Look at TEMIN and injector ontime aswell
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2021, 01:49:34 AM »
Quote from: Norwegian1.8T on December 07, 2021, 01:13:21 AM
I would do an datalog at idle and lok at what requested AFR is, if its requesting 1.0 then most likley the maps are good, unless you've changed something else. Look at TEMIN and injector ontime aswell

both cars are completely stock.no ecu tune.
i need to know what is different between a car with EGT that requests AFR=0.95(BAM) and another without EGT that requests AFR=1(AUQ)
this is one difference that cannot find
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2021, 01:20:19 PM »
Please post a log.
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2021, 02:22:57 AM »
   Group A:   '031            Group B:   '001            Group C:    Not Running
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   TIME               TIME               TIME   
Marker   STAMP               STAMP    /min   °C    %      STAMP   
   0.30   953   945                         0.01   840   63.0   2.3   10111110      
   0.90   961   945                         0.60   840   63.0   2.3   10111110      
   1.52   945   945                         1.20   840   63.0   3.1   10111110      
   2.11   938   945                         1.81   840   63.0   2.3   10111110      
   2.71   953   945                         2.42   840   63.0   2.3   10111110      
   3.32   945   945                         3.02   840   63.0   2.3   10111110      
   3.92   938   945                         3.62   840   63.0   1.6   10111110      
   4.52   945   945                         4.22   840   63.0   0.8   10111110      
   5.13   945   945                         4.82   840   63.0   1.6   10111110      
   5.73   945   945                         5.43   840   63.0   1.6   10111110      
   6.33   938   945                         6.03   840   63.0   0.8   10111110      
   6.94   953   945                         6.63   840   63.0   0.0   10111110      
   7.54   969   945                         7.24   840   63.0   0.8   10111110      
   8.14   945   945                         7.84   840   63.0   2.3   10111110      
   8.75   945   945                         8.45   840   63.0   0.8   10111110      
   9.35   945   945                         9.05   840   63.0   0.8   10111110      
   9.95   938   945                         9.65   840   63.0   0.8   10111110      
   
10.56   938   945                         10.26   840   63.0   -0.8   10111110      
   11.16   945   945                         10.86   840   63.0   -0.8   10111110      
   11.77   953   945                         11.46   840   63.0   0.0   10111110      
   12.37   945   945                         12.07   840   63.0   0.0   10111110      
   12.97   945   945                         12.67   840   63.0   -0.8   10111110      
   13.57   953   945                         13.27   840   63.0   0.0   10111110      
   14.18   945   945                         13.88   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   14.78   945   945                         14.48   840   63.0   0.0   10111110      
   15.38   945   945                         15.08   840   64.0   -0.8   10111110      
   15.99   953   945                         15.69   840   64.0   -0.8   10111110      
   16.59   945   945                         16.29   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   17.19   953   945                         16.89   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   17.80   945   945                         17.50   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   18.41   945   945                         18.10   840   64.0   -0.8   10111110      
   19.00   953   945                         18.70   840   64.0   -0.8   10111110      
   19.61   953   945                         19.31   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   20.21   953   945                         19.91   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   20.82   945   945                         20.51   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   21.42   945   945                         21.12   840   64.0   -0.8   10111110      
   22.02   961   945                         21.72   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   22.62   961   945                         22.32   840   64.0   0.8   10111110      
   23.24   945   945                         22.93   840   64.0   0.8   10111110      
   23.83   930   945                         23.53   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   24.44   930   945                         24.13   840   64.0   -1.6   10111110      
   25.04   938   945                         24.74   840   65.0   -2.3   10111110      
   25.64   977   945                         25.34   840   65.0   -3.1   10111110      
   26.25   977   945                         25.94   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   26.85   945   945                         26.55   840   65.0   0.8   10111110      
   27.45   938   945                         27.15   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   28.06   969   945                         27.75   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   28.66   961   945                         28.36   840   65.0   1.6   10111110      
   29.26   945   945                         28.96   840   65.0   1.6   10111110      
   29.87   938   945                         29.56   840   65.0   0.8   10111110      
   30.47   953   945                         30.17   840   65.0   0.8   10111110      
   31.07   953   945                         30.77   840   65.0   0.8   10111110      
   31.68   938   945                         31.37   840   65.0   1.6   10111110      
   32.28   938   945                         31.98   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   32.88   945   945                         32.58   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   33.49   938   945                         33.18   840   65.0   -0.8   10111110      
   34.09   938   945                         33.79   840   65.0   -1.6   10111110      
   34.69   953   945                         34.39   840   65.0   -2.3   10111110      
   35.30   969   945                         34.99   840   65.0   -1.6   10111110      
   35.90   961   945                         35.60   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   36.50   953   945                         36.20   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   37.12   938   945                         36.80   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   37.71   922   945                         37.41   840   65.0   -1.6   10111110      
   38.31   938   945                         38.02   840   65.0   -3.1   10111110      
   38.92   945   945                         38.62   840   66.0   -3.1   10111110      
   39.52   938   945                         39.22   840   66.0   -3.1   10111110      
   40.13   961   945                         39.82   840   66.0   -3.9   10111110      
   40.73   977   945                         40.43   840   66.0   -2.3   10111110      
   41.33   961   945                         41.03   840   66.0   -0.8   10111110      
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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2021, 04:12:43 AM »
Quote from: BlackWin on December 09, 2021, 02:22:57 AM
   Group A:   '031            Group B:   '001            Group C:    Not Running
      Lambda Factor   Lambda Factor   Bin. Bits   Bin. Bits      RPM   Temperature   Lambda   Bin. Bits      
   TIME               TIME               TIME   
Marker   STAMP               STAMP    /min   °C    %      STAMP   
   0.30   953   945                         0.01   840   63.0   2.3   10111110      
   0.90   961   945                         0.60   840   63.0   2.3   10111110      
   1.52   945   945                         1.20   840   63.0   3.1   10111110      
   2.11   938   945                         1.81   840   63.0   2.3   10111110      
   2.71   953   945                         2.42   840   63.0   2.3   10111110      
   3.32   945   945                         3.02   840   63.0   2.3   10111110      
   3.92   938   945                         3.62   840   63.0   1.6   10111110      
   4.52   945   945                         4.22   840   63.0   0.8   10111110      
   5.13   945   945                         4.82   840   63.0   1.6   10111110      
   5.73   945   945                         5.43   840   63.0   1.6   10111110      
   6.33   938   945                         6.03   840   63.0   0.8   10111110      
   6.94   953   945                         6.63   840   63.0   0.0   10111110      
   7.54   969   945                         7.24   840   63.0   0.8   10111110      
   8.14   945   945                         7.84   840   63.0   2.3   10111110      
   8.75   945   945                         8.45   840   63.0   0.8   10111110      
   9.35   945   945                         9.05   840   63.0   0.8   10111110      
   9.95   938   945                         9.65   840   63.0   0.8   10111110      
   
10.56   938   945                         10.26   840   63.0   -0.8   10111110      
   11.16   945   945                         10.86   840   63.0   -0.8   10111110      
   11.77   953   945                         11.46   840   63.0   0.0   10111110      
   12.37   945   945                         12.07   840   63.0   0.0   10111110      
   12.97   945   945                         12.67   840   63.0   -0.8   10111110      
   13.57   953   945                         13.27   840   63.0   0.0   10111110      
   14.18   945   945                         13.88   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   14.78   945   945                         14.48   840   63.0   0.0   10111110      
   15.38   945   945                         15.08   840   64.0   -0.8   10111110      
   15.99   953   945                         15.69   840   64.0   -0.8   10111110      
   16.59   945   945                         16.29   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   17.19   953   945                         16.89   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   17.80   945   945                         17.50   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   18.41   945   945                         18.10   840   64.0   -0.8   10111110      
   19.00   953   945                         18.70   840   64.0   -0.8   10111110      
   19.61   953   945                         19.31   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   20.21   953   945                         19.91   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   20.82   945   945                         20.51   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   21.42   945   945                         21.12   840   64.0   -0.8   10111110      
   22.02   961   945                         21.72   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   22.62   961   945                         22.32   840   64.0   0.8   10111110      
   23.24   945   945                         22.93   840   64.0   0.8   10111110      
   23.83   930   945                         23.53   840   64.0   0.0   10111110      
   24.44   930   945                         24.13   840   64.0   -1.6   10111110      
   25.04   938   945                         24.74   840   65.0   -2.3   10111110      
   25.64   977   945                         25.34   840   65.0   -3.1   10111110      
   26.25   977   945                         25.94   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   26.85   945   945                         26.55   840   65.0   0.8   10111110      
   27.45   938   945                         27.15   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   28.06   969   945                         27.75   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   28.66   961   945                         28.36   840   65.0   1.6   10111110      
   29.26   945   945                         28.96   840   65.0   1.6   10111110      
   29.87   938   945                         29.56   840   65.0   0.8   10111110      
   30.47   953   945                         30.17   840   65.0   0.8   10111110      
   31.07   953   945                         30.77   840   65.0   0.8   10111110      
   31.68   938   945                         31.37   840   65.0   1.6   10111110      
   32.28   938   945                         31.98   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   32.88   945   945                         32.58   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   33.49   938   945                         33.18   840   65.0   -0.8   10111110      
   34.09   938   945                         33.79   840   65.0   -1.6   10111110      
   34.69   953   945                         34.39   840   65.0   -2.3   10111110      
   35.30   969   945                         34.99   840   65.0   -1.6   10111110      
   35.90   961   945                         35.60   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   36.50   953   945                         36.20   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   37.12   938   945                         36.80   840   65.0   0.0   10111110      
   37.71   922   945                         37.41   840   65.0   -1.6   10111110      
   38.31   938   945                         38.02   840   65.0   -3.1   10111110      
   38.92   945   945                         38.62   840   66.0   -3.1   10111110      
   39.52   938   945                         39.22   840   66.0   -3.1   10111110      
   40.13   961   945                         39.82   840   66.0   -3.9   10111110      
   40.73   977   945                         40.43   840   66.0   -2.3   10111110      
   41.33   961   945                         41.03   840   66.0   -0.8   10111110
Maybe you try to upload you file and not the whole log
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2021, 01:37:55 AM »
Attaché the log and do not screen shot the log.
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2021, 09:11:40 AM »
Check Exhaust gas temperature sensor readings.
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2021, 01:10:29 PM »
i will try to upload the file when i find out how to do this. i am trying.
anyway all the cars work fine but i need to understand what is the difference between s3 with real EGT sensor and an octavia without EGT sensor.
the s3 in idle or in cruising with steady gas pedal the afr goes to 0.95.
while the octavia in idle or in cruising the afr goes 1.
and i have seen that two more cars that i know WITH EGT sensor on the turbine work afr=0.95
while other model without EGT on turbine housing work afr=1.
i hope you understand clearly what i am trying to figure out.
i don't have any problem at all with any of the cars that we examine.
Thank you all. i am waiting for solutions
which maps do i have to edit to make afr from 0.95 go to 1 in models with EGT on turbo.
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2021, 03:57:35 PM »
Quote from: BlackWin on December 11, 2021, 01:10:29 PM
i will try to upload the file when i find out how to do this. i am trying.
anyway all the cars work fine but i need to understand what is the difference between s3 with real EGT sensor and an octavia without EGT sensor.
the s3 in idle or in cruising with steady gas pedal the afr goes to 0.95.
while the octavia in idle or in cruising the afr goes 1.
and i have seen that two more cars that i know WITH EGT sensor on the turbine work afr=0.95
while other model without EGT on turbine housing work afr=1.
i hope you understand clearly what i am trying to figure out.
i don't have any problem at all with any of the cars that we examine.
Thank you all. i am waiting for solutions
which maps do i have to edit to make afr from 0.95 go to 1 in models with EGT on turbo.
1. Not AFR you mean Lambda 1

2. EGT is Based on a Calculated Model

3. Euro 6 Models also try to reach Lambda 1 while part load becuse emissions Smiley

4. What Kind of S3 8L, 8P ,8V … which Octavia?…


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« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2021, 04:27:58 PM »
The reason this happens is that the car was messed about with (not stock emissions) and deletes were not done correctly.
EGT sensor or no EGT sensor has nothing to do with it.

Don't really feel like elaborating further, as your attitude is pretty shitty (GIVE ME GIVE ME GIVE ME).

Maybe a good time for you to learn to use proper logging and read the FR, as it's extremely easy to see where a certain lambda request comes from.
But possibly someone is also going to hand you the solution on a silver platter.
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2021, 01:16:08 PM »
Quote from: xXxCryxXx on December 11, 2021, 03:57:35 PM
1. Not AFR you mean Lambda 1

2. EGT is Based on a Calculated Model

3. Euro 6 Models also try to reach Lambda 1 while part load becuse emissions Smiley

4. What Kind of S3 8L, 8P ,8V … which Octavia?…


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the s3 is 8L 20vt and the octavia is also 20vt 1.8t
what i mean is the wideband sensor is showing 0.95 both in car and the extra AEM wideband.
both cars have extra wideband sensor.
answer in no 2 is in the octavia EGT is calculated as you correctly said.
in the s3 the car has its own EGT sensor on the turbo from factory. that is what i noticed in the cars.
that is my conclusion.please correct me if i am wrong.  Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2021, 01:30:18 PM »
Quote from: prj on December 11, 2021, 04:27:58 PM
The reason this happens is that the car was messed about with (not stock emissions) and deletes were not done correctly.
EGT sensor or no EGT sensor has nothing to do with it.

Don't really feel like elaborating further, as your attitude is pretty shitty (GIVE ME GIVE ME GIVE ME).

Maybe a good time for you to learn to use proper logging and read the FR, as it's extremely easy to see where a certain lambda request comes from.
But possibly someone is also going to hand you the solution on a silver platter.

i am sorry sir if i sound like that. i am going a little bit crazy about the answer the truth is.
i am not a pro and i will not be. what i do is computer tech. car stuff  is my hobby.
the truth is that both cars are stock. correction: were stock when i found that difference.
but they still have that difference after stage 1 remap.
i didn't mean to sound shitty. i truly apologise!
as for your answer to the difference i will check again and again in case i misunderstood something in the software.
nevertheless i got answers and solutions on a silver plate indeed, Smiley  for other stuff in this fantastic forum.
and i truly want to thank all people that contribute!
i will listen to you and try again to learn logging better and read afr. i have found lambda request where is but that is not enough i believe because i have changed a few things and there are indeed changes but i cannot correct the problem-difference that i am looking for.
Thank you all again. i will keep reading and trying to find a solution or the errors...
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2021, 01:39:37 PM »
S4wiki covers that
Check where the lowest lambda comes from
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2021, 02:37:26 PM »
Quote from: BlackWin on December 12, 2021, 01:16:08 PM
the s3 is 8L 20vt and the octavia is also 20vt 1.8t
what i mean is the wideband sensor is showing 0.95 both in car and the extra AEM wideband.
both cars have extra wideband sensor.
answer in no 2 is in the octavia EGT is calculated as you correctly said.
in the s3 the car has its own EGT sensor on the turbo from factory. that is what i noticed in the cars.
that is my conclusion.please correct me if i am wrong.  Smiley
AEM shows not really accurate to your oem lambda the value i belive becuse i had costumer they had also the aem sensor and my external Lambda and oem Lambda shows diffrent values to aem


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