Pages: 1 [2]
Author Topic: High WG cracking pressure (20psi+) part throttle torque control strategy  (Read 15936 times)
Bische
Sr. Member
****

Karma: +25/-4
Offline Offline

Posts: 397



WWW

I have successfully been tweaking KFVPDKSD/E to 1 just up over WG cracking pressure which makes it snap to WOT only when requesting base WG pressure or higher.

Then of course recalibrated KFWDKMSN to suit.
Logged
prj
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +1072/-481
Offline Offline

Posts: 6037



And I hope KFMSNWDK too, which is inverse.

That was what I was talking about when speaking about FUEDK correction.
If you have a stiffer spring then for certain throttle openings you will have higher airflow.

silentbob was speaking about a different thing (ECU going WOT due to pressure ratio) - I guess for correct functionality both should be tuned.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2013, 07:10:10 AM by prj » Logged

PM's will not be answered, so don't even try.
Log your car properly - WinOLS database - Tools/patches
Bische
Sr. Member
****

Karma: +25/-4
Offline Offline

Posts: 397



WWW

And I hope KFMSNWDK too, which is inverse.

Yes, but it isnt needed unless you run CWBGMSZS.0 or if you want to be able to run it with MAF sensor unplugged.

That was what I was talking about when speaking about FUEDK correction.
If you have a stiffer spring then for certain throttle openings you will have higher airflow.

silentbob was speaking about a different thing (ECU going WOT due to pressure ratio) - I guess for correct functionality both should be tuned.

That is exactly what KFVPDKSD/E does, I maybe misunderstanding you here though.
Logged
ddillenger
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +641/-21
Offline Offline

Posts: 5640



Yes, but it isnt needed unless you run CWBGMSZS.0 or if you want to be able to run it with MAF sensor unplugged.

That is exactly what KFVPDKSD/E does, I maybe misunderstanding you here though.

Or if the MAF sensor fails...I've been dealing playing around with a larger TB lately, amazing what a difference calibrating these maps properly makes.
Logged

Please, ask all questions on the forums! Doing so will ensure the next person with the same issue gets the opportunity to learn from your experience!

Email/Google chat:
DDillenger84(at)gmail(dot)com

Email>PM
NOTORIOUS VR
Administrator
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +58/-7
Offline Offline

Posts: 1056



Ok so let's get into this a little more since this is an issue that I experienced w/ my 605 setup back in the day as well. (21 psi w/ 0% WGDC).

So what the the Y-axis represent... 

FR states the following: Pressure ratio of intake air pressure to base boost pressure.

So is the Y axis just boost pressure in BAR? (ie. 1.0 = 14.5psi?)

What does the numbers in the table represent and how does it all work together?  1 is no change in boost setpoint, less then one is less req' boost for the set point?
Logged

SCHNELL ENGINEERING BLOG ·  STANDALONE ECUS · TUNING · DYNO · WIRING · PARTS · VEMS
Google Talk: NOTORIOUS.VR
n00bs start here: http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Tuning
julex
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +79/-4
Offline Offline

Posts: 923



So tweak KFVPDKSD/SE by modifying pressure ratio axis first to reflect more precisely my new high WG cracking pressure. Massage values (to under 1) in lower pressure ratio columns so that the ECU doesn't go crazy with throttle and overshoots?
Logged
Lobuziak
Newbie
*

Karma: +1/-0
Offline Offline

Posts: 15



Or if the MAF sensor fails...I've been dealing playing around with a larger TB lately, amazing what a difference calibrating these maps properly makes.
I'm interested in the way of scaling TB maps. Is it ok to start with scaling by the percent of area difference like with MAF housing?
For example going from 57 mm to 64mm would give 26% difference.

Regards
Lobuziak
Logged
prj
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +1072/-481
Offline Offline

Posts: 6037



What you can try to do is make the airflow at throttle plate match airflow from maf.
Or tune your car with the MAF, then unplug it and tune the maps so that it runs as well as possible without the MAF with similar AFR through the range.
Logged

PM's will not be answered, so don't even try.
Log your car properly - WinOLS database - Tools/patches
ddillenger
Hero Member
*****

Karma: +641/-21
Offline Offline

Posts: 5640



PRJ:

I've been toying with KFMSNWDK and the inverse, KFWDKMSN.

Adjusting MSNWDK to the point mass airflow and calculated airflow over the throttle plate matched results in a significant decrease in the values of the map (1360 was my last row). I then took the values in this map and transferred them to axis of WDKMSN. How exactly does one determine which values work well here (for the map, not the axis WDKMSN)? I notice the RS4 file ends at 52, I find it hard to believe that's as far as the TB opens, when the s4 file ends in the 90s? Any tips? Am I missing something significant? Right now with the hemi TB my calculated airmass over the throttle plate and measured airmass are fairly perfect, but I feel WDKMSN may not be correct.
Logged

Please, ask all questions on the forums! Doing so will ensure the next person with the same issue gets the opportunity to learn from your experience!

Email/Google chat:
DDillenger84(at)gmail(dot)com

Email>PM
Bische
Sr. Member
****

Karma: +25/-4
Offline Offline

Posts: 397



WWW

Dillinger, read up on the other two maps mentioned, those calculates when WOT is the best throttle angle.

WDKMSN/inverse is on used on part throttle.
Logged
Pages: 1 [2]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Page created in 0.045 seconds with 17 queries. (Pretty URLs adds 0s, 0q)