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« Reply #255 on: January 25, 2015, 09:10:49 AM »

Why not do like most of the OTS tunes did and hit a higher PR at low airflow then taper off.
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« Reply #256 on: January 25, 2015, 02:17:42 PM »

Yes, absolutely, we can request more boost down low. I thought he was referring to HP...

I think the practical limit for K03s is around 2.3 PR.

In real life (MAP) numbers, I am unsure of the pressure drop over stock ICs, but at low RPM hopefully it isn't terrible.
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« Reply #257 on: January 25, 2015, 06:10:37 PM »

I'd be comfortable with 2.3 until 4000 rpm and then start tapering.  That looks to put the airflow in the vicinity of 400 cfm total, with stock IC pressure drop between 2-3 psi.

http://www.myaudis4.com/stock-ic-flow-test/
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« Reply #258 on: January 25, 2015, 07:32:56 PM »

I'd be comfortable with 2.3 until 4000 rpm and then start tapering.  That looks to put the airflow in the vicinity of 400 cfm total, with stock IC pressure drop between 2-3 psi.

http://www.myaudis4.com/stock-ic-flow-test/

Unfortunately that puts us at 16-17 psi... which is close to where we are currently.

Much less if you assume intake drop of 1 psi (which puts us at 14psi)..

Unless my math is wrong.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%281000mbar-1psi%29*2.3-1000mbar-2.5psi+in+psi
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« Reply #259 on: January 25, 2015, 09:14:18 PM »

I'm comfortable with 17 psi prior to accounting for the pressure losses.  I think even if the compressor were seeing 19 psi at 4000 rpm it would still be on the map and operating at good efficiency. 

http://www.myaudis4.com/2014/05/03/stock-fats/

But if 15-16 psi MAP were all we wanted to do I'd be fine with that as well.  It just seems that stopping at 12-13 would be very conservative.
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« Reply #260 on: January 25, 2015, 10:41:40 PM »

Works for me!
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« Reply #261 on: January 26, 2015, 12:46:11 PM »

I'm working with a 551T a6 2.7t currently. I'm seeing issues with the ASR turning on limiting power until a hard ASR code pops on (ASR light permanent then power is consistent. Maybe RLVMXN/RLVSMXN is the issue? Although I didn't think 14psi would exceed torque limiter in those maps. I'm not seeing any Cel's regarding the torque control limits.
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« Reply #262 on: January 26, 2015, 01:00:49 PM »

I'm working with a 551T a6 2.7t currently. I'm seeing issues with the ASR turning on limiting power until a hard ASR code pops on (ASR light permanent then power is consistent. Maybe RLVMXN/RLVSMXN is the issue? Although I didn't think 14psi would exceed torque limiter in those maps. I'm not seeing any Cel's regarding the torque control limits.

With the ESP button pressed (ESP disabled) you should not get any ASR.
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« Reply #263 on: February 10, 2015, 04:29:08 AM »

I'm comfortable with 17 psi prior to accounting for the pressure losses.  I think even if the compressor were seeing 19 psi at 4000 rpm it would still be on the map and operating at good efficiency. 

http://www.myaudis4.com/2014/05/03/stock-fats/

But if 15-16 psi MAP were all we wanted to do I'd be fine with that as well.  It just seems that stopping at 12-13 would be very conservative.

Italian tuned KFMIRL to 110% of stock and used berTTos's KFMIOP interpolator to generate new map with bottom of X axis averaged at 13.05 and last 2 columns at 87% and 100% of max load request in KFMIRL. Matched new KFMIOP X axis with X axis in KFZWOP and KFZWOP2 timing maps. So essentially have generated a matched KFMIRL and KFMIOP set where the KFMIOP map requests the load that I'm shooting for (as a % of LDXRN map). Still need to back off timing to get rid of that knock at 5K rpm. Car feels great, like a different personality but still getting limited load result. Suggestions on where to go from here? Nyet, can you elaborate on your last suggestion of flattening KFP maps at 3K & up?
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« Reply #264 on: February 10, 2015, 10:04:29 AM »

Car feels great, like a different personality but still getting limited load result.

Your mifa/misol is pretty low, might need to tweak KFPED a bit, or bring up KFMIRL in the lower torque request areas...

Don't forget the INPUT to KFMIRL is mifa/misol.
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« Reply #265 on: February 10, 2015, 10:19:34 AM »

Your mifa/misol is pretty low, might need to tweak KFPED a bit, or bring up KFMIRL in the lower torque request areas...

Don't forget the INPUT to KFMIRL is mifa/misol.

You're only at a max of 75% on mifa, which corresponds to what you have in irl/iop and the load values you are seeing.  Log mrfa_w (Driver Requested Relative Torque) as well to see what that is.
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« Reply #266 on: March 24, 2015, 06:26:13 PM »

This is a summary of my work thus far.

First thing was to raise the rev limiter, NMAX, to 7000 rpm and NMAXF (RPM DTC limit) to 300 rpm over NMAX:




Next I adjusted the Pedal Position for Desired AFR (LAMFA Axis).

Stock values are 0.5, 0.6, 0.7, 0.8, 0.9, 1.0 and they are changed below to 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 97.5



The desired AFR is altered in the last two columns (90, 97.499) from 3000 rpm and above, enriching the mixture from 14.7 to 12.5.

Next was modifying LDRXN to alter the boost profile, raising it slightly from the stock profile.



Then some timing adjustments.  On the left side are the original tables and on the right are the current values.  For KFZW2 I lowered the values slightly to try and eliminate the ignition retard that was occurring around 2000-2500 rpm.  For KFZW I raised some of the timing values to try and have a smoother transition around 3500-4000.



And lastly, a comparison of this tune versus the baseline stock file and a pull from a different APR chipped S4.

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« Reply #267 on: March 24, 2015, 07:08:25 PM »

Thanks for summarizing your changes. Very easy to follow, and understand.
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« Reply #268 on: March 25, 2015, 06:14:40 PM »

I'll need to add misol_w and mifa_w to my file and re-log.  Is there a common name to use with those variables?

This is the boost curve I'm thinking of shooting for, based off the MAP reading.

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« Reply #269 on: March 25, 2015, 07:40:07 PM »

I'm not following the S4 Wiki tuning page, at least not unless I am directed to look at something specific.  I have seen the relevant section but was not certain of the applicability to the thread's XDF. 

Here's the corrected settings:



How did you end up correcting this? Can't seem to figure it out.. :S
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