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Title: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Tony@NefMoto on December 31, 2010, 11:51:41 AM These are the cheapest USB VAG KKL cables I have been able to find that use the FT232R chip. The FT232R chip is better because it supports internal options for configuring how the chip works, while the cheaper cables with the FT232BM don't. I also prefer the FT232R chip because it supports the FTDI ChipID feature, which all of the NefMoto premium features will use.
So if you want to get a NefMoto recommended cable that will work with future premium features, I would buy one of these two. "VAG COM KKL 409.1 AUDI/VW/SEAT/SKODA Cable OBD2/II 409" http://stores.ebay.com/easybid2000 "USB Vag-Com Cable/Scanner VW Audi 409.1" http://stores.ebay.com/alpha-bid I am not selling these myself because there is no way I could resell them and ship them for cheaper than eBay. Also, I would rather working on ECU tuning than run a shipping depot. The official Ross-Tech cables are also recommended except for the KII-USB cable. The official Ross-Tech cables all contain the FTDI 232R chip. The KII-USB cable is not recommended because it does not support proper dumb mode pass through of data. Also, Ross-Tech states that the HEX-CAN-USB only works with VCDS because it does not support COM ports. The NefMoto software communicates with the USB chip via the FTDI SDK and does not require COM port support, and so it works great with the HEX-CAN-USB. If you want to check what chip is in your cable, or see if it supports NefMoto premium features, you can use the NefMoto ECU Flasher version 1.6.1.0 or later. Just select the USB device and then hover your mouse over it. It will display all of the info about the FTDI chip in the cable and say if it supports premium NefMoto features. CH340 based cables (such as those used in many VCDS cable knockoffs) are not supported. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Tony@NefMoto on December 31, 2010, 03:32:53 PM Here is the link to all of the FTDI chips:
http://ftdichip.com/Products/ICs.htm Any of the FTDI chips that have a part number ending in R support the FTDI ChipID feature that the NefMoto premium features will require. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: tobz on January 08, 2011, 06:51:16 PM A word of personal experience: be wary of the entirely blue KKL cables. I got mine in the mail today, and the USB connector was some bootleg shit, and the contacts were recessed way too much into the phelonic white spacer thing, and one of the pins had broken in the connector. I had to do a transplant and solder in a new USB cable to the OBD side to make it work.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Tony@NefMoto on January 10, 2011, 07:44:06 PM Did you purchase from "easybid2000" or "alphabid"?
Most cables are crap, but I found that cables from these two sellers were better. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: kls on January 12, 2011, 12:47:43 AM I bought a cheapie all blue cable from ebay seller "cube_tool"
So far its working great and uses the FT232R. $9.50 USD shipped. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: fucis on January 17, 2011, 12:19:07 AM I was talking with easybid2000 in ebay system, and he said:
Quote Hi, So this cable is not compatible?I opened on cable, and it is FT232RL inside. Thanks, easybid2000 Thanks Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Tony@NefMoto on January 17, 2011, 01:53:06 PM I was talking with easybid2000 in ebay system, and he said: Quote Hi, So this cable is not compatible?I opened on cable, and it is FT232RL inside. Thanks, easybid2000 Thanks The FT232RL is the same as the FT232R. The L at the end means it is the lead free version. The FT232RL is compatible. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: bodhi on January 18, 2011, 07:12:46 PM Just adding a quick recommendation for easybid2000; super fast shipping (given the distance), and signed-for delivery, which was really nice to see.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: LightS4 on March 15, 2011, 10:23:18 PM Hi there, does anyone know about a FT232BL would work? It a blue with a clear cord? Not sure where its from, got it a long time ago.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: LightS4 on March 15, 2011, 11:39:05 PM I'm guessing its not going to work, BL is the lead free version of BM which is now discontinued. This is off the ftdichip website,
"The FT232B is the 2nd generation of FTDI's popular USB UART device and the FT232BL is a lead free version of the FT232BM. The FT232BQ provides the same functionality as the FT232BL in a QFN-32 lead free package. This device not only adds extra functionality to its predecessor (FT8U232AM) and reduces external component count, but also maintains a high degree of pin compatibility with the original making it easy to upgrade or cost reduce existing designs as well as increasing the potential for using this device in new application areas." Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Tony@NefMoto on March 16, 2011, 10:14:12 AM Any FT232 device should work, but only the FT232R devices support the ChipID feature which I use for licensing premium features.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: LightS4 on March 16, 2011, 03:45:23 PM Is there more info on the licensing premium software? What does the ChipID feature allow you to do? Thanks Tony really happy I ran across this site :)
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Tony@NefMoto on March 16, 2011, 04:00:07 PM The premium features haven't been released yet. Improving the free features keep taking precedence. The FTDI ChipID feature is a unique ID that is programmed into the FTDI cable and cannot be changed. This will allow me to create license files for premium features that will only allow the feature to be used if the ID in the license file matches the ID in the FTDI cable.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: nyet on July 16, 2011, 04:00:38 PM I have a 232BL and it does NOT work. Failed to read test echo...
Code: 16/Jul/2011 03:55:56.990: LOG: Opened NefMoto VW Audi ME7 ECU Flasher BETA 1.8.0.0 Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: cocktailyogi on August 03, 2011, 11:31:51 PM I have a 232BL and it does NOT work. Failed to read test echo... Code: 16/Jul/2011 03:55:56.990: LOG: Opened NefMoto VW Audi ME7 ECU Flasher BETA 1.8.0.0 Hello, I had similar problem. Try to open connection to ECU with other Software (i.e. VCDS or k+ can commander) , close it and try again with nefmoto. In my case it worked after connecting to FTDI-port with another tool. Greetings, Yogi Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Tony@NefMoto on August 16, 2011, 10:42:13 AM I have a 232BL and it does NOT work. Failed to read test echo... It is possible that this isn't a "dumb cable". Does VCDS work with it? Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: sv3d on September 26, 2011, 01:47:30 PM Hi.
I'm not shure but... will this allso work? http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/11545.pdf (with db9 --> obd2 adapter) Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Tony@NefMoto on September 27, 2011, 09:30:41 AM http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/11545.pdf Yes that should work. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: NOTORIOUS VR on October 03, 2011, 07:27:48 AM Ordered my new cable today :)
Can't wait for the premium features! Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Giannis on October 18, 2011, 05:55:04 AM Hello to all i would like to report that the chinnesse vag-commander 3.5 cables work with nefmoto and have the 232r chip inside. Finally i will able to register the software.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Tony@NefMoto on October 18, 2011, 11:12:42 AM Hello to all i would like to report that the chinnesse vag-commander 3.5 cables work with nefmoto and have the 232r chip inside. Finally i will able to register the software. Awesome! Thanks for letting us know those cables work. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: sqitis on January 03, 2012, 07:20:37 AM Hey Tony,
When using one of these cables I can't get the newest version of Vag 11.11.1 to work and there is no "dump mode" in the new version that I can see. Any thoughts? TIA! Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Tony@NefMoto on January 03, 2012, 03:01:23 PM In VCDS/VAG-COM you have to turn off the setting "Boot in Intelligent Mode" to use dumb mode.
These cables should all work with VCDS/VAG-COM, but they won't work as registered/licensed/authentic Ross-Tech cables. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: nyet on January 03, 2012, 05:02:45 PM In VCDS/VAG-COM you have to turn off the setting "Boot in Intelligent Mode" to use dumb mode. stupid question: is there a drawback to this setting? does vcds put the cable in the right mode when it starts up? Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: nyet on January 03, 2012, 05:03:53 PM oh. ross-tech says
Quote Boot in intelligent mode is checked by default. It allows VCDS to quickly determine baud rates when using a HEX interface. If you wish to try using your Ross-Tech dongle interface with 3rd party software (which is not supported by Ross-Tech), you may want to run a Test, then uncheck Boot in intelligent mode then run another Test. This will cause the interface to behave like an older style dumb interface and will not be compatible with most 6J Ibizas and it will be noticeable slower building the list of installed modules on the Select Control Module screen. http://www.ross-tech.com/vcds/tour/option_screen.html Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Tony@NefMoto on January 03, 2012, 05:05:03 PM stupid question: is there a drawback to this setting? does vcds put the cable in the right mode when it starts up? The "Boot in intelligent mode" setting only applies to genuine ross-tech cables. The blue eBay cables all only work in dumb mode anyway. ross-tech told me that the cables need to work in intelligent mode to properly connect to some of the newer cars. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: sqitis on January 04, 2012, 06:13:07 AM I don't see that mode in the new version 11.11.1 It now says "Force Dumb Mode." Should this be checked or unchecked?
TIA! Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Tony@NefMoto on January 04, 2012, 10:33:22 AM I don't see that mode in the new version 11.11.1 It now says "Force Dumb Mode." Should this be checked or unchecked? If you are using a genuine ross-tech cable, then I believe "Force Dumb Mode" should be checked. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: linust on January 04, 2012, 12:05:02 PM Tony,
I have a Ross-Tech HEX+CAN USB cable, labeled HC464895 Rev. A Earlier, you note the Ross-Tech cable to be use the FTDI 232R chip so it should support your premium features. However, when I launch Nefmoto and hover the mouse over the device, it shows: Type: FT_DEVICE_BM ChipID: Not supported by this device Just want to confirm my cable will work properly before attempting to flash my ECU (2002 S6 avant with ME7.1.1 going from tip to 6sp manual :) Thanks! Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Tony@NefMoto on January 04, 2012, 04:58:30 PM Tony, I have a Ross-Tech HEX+CAN USB cable, labeled HC464895 Rev. A Earlier, you note the Ross-Tech cable to be use the FTDI 232R chip so it should support your premium features. However, when I launch Nefmoto and hover the mouse over the device, it shows: Type: FT_DEVICE_BM ChipID: Not supported by this device Just want to confirm my cable will work properly before attempting to flash my ECU (2002 S6 avant with ME7.1.1 going from tip to 6sp manual :) Thanks! Cable will work properly, but doesn't sound like it will work with purchasing a license for premium features. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: sqitis on January 06, 2012, 04:04:04 AM I can't get the newest version of Vagcom 11.11.1 to work at all with the blue ebay cable. The "Force Dumb Mode" is grayed out and I have no option to check it. All I can do is test usb or com ports and USB says no device ready and then com3 says ready but no interface. Should I uninstall the 409.1 or 311 version and see if that helps? Any help would be great! And yes I can get the older versions to work just fine.
TIA! Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Tony@NefMoto on January 06, 2012, 12:38:46 PM I can't get the newest version of Vagcom 11.11.1 to work at all with the blue ebay cable. The "Force Dumb Mode" is grayed out and I have no option to check it. All I can do is test usb or com ports and USB says no device ready and then com3 says ready but no interface. Should I uninstall the 409.1 or 311 version and see if that helps? Any help would be great! And yes I can get the older versions to work just fine. You need to test usb and have it detect the usb cable before you can change any settings. If you are using a blue ebay cable, then the cable only supports dumb mode, and you don't need to bother with that setting. My guess is that the latest version of VagCom has changed something with what cables they support. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: sqitis on January 06, 2012, 12:54:46 PM Yea, that's what I thought too! Thanks for your help Tony!
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Jason on February 07, 2012, 07:15:35 PM For those of you in a rush, or for those that have Amazon Prime, here's one for $12:
http://www.amazon.com/OBD2-Diagnostic-Cable-KKL409-1-VAG-COM/dp/B002WIN8VQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1328667190&sr=8-1 Note Amazon manages the inventory so it ships from the US. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: GetSlideways on February 18, 2012, 08:19:56 PM Just wondering if the Serial --> OBD2 cables work with nefmoto? (such as cable in the link below):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SERIAL-OBD-2-VW-Audi-Car-Diagnostic-vag-Code-Reader-/260793639277?pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item3cb883216d I used to have the famous Blue Ebay USB cable, but it crapped out a while back and always gave me issues. So i switched from a USB to a Serial based cord for use with vagcom, and its always been great. Just wondering if this same serial cable may work with the Nefmoto software. (i tried the crappedout blue cable today with nefmoto but it kept failing), and the serial cord i have only works with an older laptop i have that doesn't have wifi or anything (so loading software onto it always takes a few extra steps. So the lazy part of me is wondering if its even worth it to attempt loading the nefmoto sofware onto it to try it with the serial cable lol) Thanks! Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: starbugs on March 26, 2012, 10:41:22 AM Hi all. I have some problems. I use Vag-com hex-can cable 10.6 (ordered from www.ecutool.com). Not genue. VCDS works fine. NefMoto doesn't work. Log:
Quote 25.мар.2012 02:59:27.562: LOG: Opening NefMoto VW Audi ME7 Flasher Logger 1.9.2.3 25.мар.2012 02:59:29.543: LOG: Cannot load license file, file does not exist: C:\Users\Юра\AppData\Roaming\Nefarious Motorsports\NefMoto VW Audi ME7 Flasher Logger\ImportedLicenses.License.dat^: 25.мар.2012 02:59:30.573: LOG: Opened NefMoto VW Audi ME7 Flasher Logger 1.9.2.3 25.мар.2012 03:04:46.528: LOG: Closing NefMoto VW Audi ME7 Flasher Logger 1.9.2.3 25.мар.2012 03:10:21.400: LOG: Opening NefMoto VW Audi ME7 Flasher Logger 1.9.2.3 25.мар.2012 03:10:21.915: LOG: Cannot load license file, file doэes not exist: C:\Users\Юра\AppData\Roaming\Nefarious Motorsports\NefMoto VW Audi ME7 Flasher Logger\ImportedLicenses.License.dat 25.мар.2012 03:10:22.056: LOG: Opened NefMoto VW Audi ME7 Flasher Logger 1.9.2.3 25.мар.2012 03:11:23.846: LOG: Setting Address: 0x01 KeyByte1: 0x6B KeyByte2: 0x0F 25.мар.2012 03:11:23.981: LOG: Opened FTDI device. 25.мар.2012 03:11:23.987: LOG: FTDI device info - Description: Ross-Tech HEX-USB Serial Number: RT000001 Device Type: FT_DEVICE_232R ID: 0x403FA24 Device Flags: 0x0 25.мар.2012 03:11:23.993: LOG: FTDI ChipID DLL is loaded, checking chip ID... 25.мар.2012 03:11:24.010: LOG: FTDI device chip ID: 0x71AE3FD5 25.мар.2012 03:11:25.108: USER: Failed to read test echo from FTDI device. 25.мар.2012 03:12:08.778: LOG: Closing FTDI device. 25.мар.2012 03:12:08.804: LOG: Could not open FTDI device 25.мар.2012 03:12:08.811: USER: Could not open FTDI device. 25.мар.2012 03:12:29.911: LOG: Closing NefMoto VW Audi ME7 Flasher Logger 1.9.2.3 25.мар.2012 03:20:22.552: LOG: Opening NefMoto VW Audi ME7 Flasher Logger 1.9.2.3 25.мар.2012 03:20:23.020: LOG: Cannot load license file, file does not exist: C:\Users\Юра\AppData\Roaming\Nefarious Motorsports\NefMoto VW Audi ME7 Flasher Logger\ImportedLicenses.License.dat 25.мар.2012 03:20:23.145: LOG: Opened NefMoto VW Audi ME7 Flasher Logger 1.9.2.3 25.мар.2012 03:20:34.863: LOG: Setting Address: 0x01 KeyByte1: 0x6B KeyByte2: 0x0F 25.мар.2012 03:20:34.942: LOG: Opened FTDI device. 25.мар.2012 03:20:34.950: LOG: FTDI device info - Description: Ross-Tech HEX-USB Serial Number: RT000001 Device Type: FT_DEVICE_232R ID: 0x403FA24 Device Flags: 0x0 25.мар.2012 03:20:34.957: LOG: FTDI ChipID DLL is loaded, checking chip ID... 25.мар.2012 03:20:34.972: LOG: FTDI device chip ID: 0x71AE3FD5 25.мар.2012 03:20:36.063: USER: Failed to read test echo from FTDI device. 25.мар.2012 03:20:54.319: LOG: Closing FTDI device. 25.мар.2012 03:20:54.346: LOG: Could not open FTDI device 25.мар.2012 03:20:54.353: USER: Could not open FTDI device. 25.мар.2012 03:50:00.718: LOG: Closing NefMoto VW Audi ME7 Flasher Logger 1.9.2.3 25.мар.2012 03:58:55.378: LOG: Opening NefMoto VW Audi ME7 Flasher Logger 1.9.2.3 25.мар.2012 03:58:55.627: LOG: Cannot load license file, file does not exist: C:\Users\Юра\AppData\Roaming\Nefarious Motorsports\NefMoto VW Audi ME7 Flasher Logger\ImportedLicenses.License.dat 25.мар.2012 03:58:55.737: LOG: Opened NefMoto VW Audi ME7 Flasher Logger 1.9.2.3 Is this cable problem or i do something wrong? Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: nyet on March 26, 2012, 10:44:48 AM Don't bother using VCDS/VAGCOM cables. Only use those with VCDS.
for all other software, just use a cheap ebay (non-vcds) cable. that said, you can try putting your cable into dumb mode in VCDS, then trying non-vcds software Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: starbugs on March 26, 2012, 11:02:12 AM that said, you can try putting your cable into dumb mode in VCDS, then trying non-vcds software How is that? How can i put my VCDS cable in dump mode? I can only check or uncheck Boot in intelligent mode. Is it what you mean? But it haven't helped. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: nyet on March 26, 2012, 11:51:57 AM Yep. Not surprised it doesn't work btw. Mine doesn't either.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: LHN86 on March 26, 2012, 12:49:00 PM Hi. I tried my blue ebay cable for the n'th time today. This cable have allways bugged me, but today I got some connection requests out of the nefmoto sotware. But it keeps disconnecting, probobly because the ecu does not respond. I tried different addresses to see if something responded(0x03), then the brake system went red in the dashboard a few times. So the system is responding in some way, then I continued with address 0x01 and after i while the car battery went flat. Is this normal?
Thanks. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: starbugs on April 20, 2012, 12:43:05 PM Yep. Not surprised it doesn't work btw. Mine doesn't either. Hi, again. Today i received my "cheap blue chinese" cable as recommended VAG-COM 409.1. The driver installed automatically. VAG-COM 3.11 works fine. No problems. But NefMoto haven't detect cable. I've checked chip incide the cable: it's CH340T... Is it wrong cable again? Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: LHN86 on April 20, 2012, 02:41:29 PM Try to download a new FTDI D2XX driver if you dont have it? Mine blue "ebay cable" does'nt either work, but many says that the blue one is allright. Alltough my ross-tech HEX+CAN works perfectly.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: 20VTMK1 on May 21, 2012, 03:32:23 AM Hey guys ,
What is the flash mem chip type for the me7.5 ? I assume I need to select the flash mem layout first ? Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: LHN86 on May 21, 2012, 04:02:42 AM Hi. You can use 29F800.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: 20VTMK1 on May 21, 2012, 04:05:28 AM HI ,
Did some digging and it came up as 29F800BB ?? Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: LHN86 on May 21, 2012, 04:06:17 AM Yes. I think you can use all three 29F800 layouts. I have used the 800 for my me7.5
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: 20VTMK1 on May 22, 2012, 03:33:20 AM Thanks , both layouts worked
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: LHN86 on May 22, 2012, 03:56:28 AM Thanks , both layouts worked NiceTitle: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: ironital on August 26, 2012, 07:02:45 PM Does galletto kwp2000 or mpps do the jop with nefmoto soft ware or we should got the caple and what is the best choice please
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: ironital on August 31, 2012, 07:11:11 PM Does the nefmoto program runs on notebook or we should use laptop and are there any proplems using kwp2000 galletto and vag com (ebay caple) with notebook
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Bische on October 10, 2012, 07:15:43 PM My 232RL cable just came in and I noticed it is about 15cm shorter than my current cable, and my current cable is like exact the length I need.
Would it be ok to put an USB extension cable on the new cable? Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: aef on October 11, 2012, 05:32:21 AM should work
you can unscrew the obd connector and check if the usb voltage is still 5V, then it should work fine. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Bische on October 11, 2012, 07:02:02 AM should work you can unscrew the obd connector and check if the usb voltage is still 5V, then it should work fine. Ok thanks, how can I see what voltage it is? Maybe I can just switch the cables Pnp? Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: aef on October 11, 2012, 07:22:28 AM voltmeter? :D
yes, just solder a new usb cable in. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Bische on October 11, 2012, 07:15:35 PM voltmeter? :D yes, just solder a new usb cable in. oh damn, brainfart :D I thought as if there was different cable for different voltage supply lol cool, thanks I'll find myself a longer cable and do that. Thanks Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: bigazz on November 26, 2012, 07:01:04 PM Hi, again. Today i received my "cheap blue chinese" cable as recommended VAG-COM 409.1. The driver installed automatically. VAG-COM 3.11 works fine. No problems. But NefMoto haven't detect cable. I've checked chip incide the cable: it's CH340T... Is it wrong cable again? Damn I just got one of these crap cables. BLUE VAGKKL on it. Cant install FTDI drivers. Useless :( My VAGCOM 11.11 cable in dumb mode is detected by Nefmoto but I tried 29f800 and 29f200B on my APX TT and got nothing :( Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: bigazz on December 04, 2012, 05:32:01 PM this time , I hope it works. Buying this
NEW FTDI FT232RL KKL 409.1 VW/AUDI OBD2 OBD USB VAG COM 409 INTERFACE CABLE Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: chlippo on January 02, 2013, 04:50:12 PM this time , I hope it works. Buying this NEW FTDI FT232RL KKL 409.1 VW/AUDI OBD2 OBD USB VAG COM 409 INTERFACE CABLE Did it work? I am looking for a cable too since its been 3 that i used that didnt work let us know Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: ironital on February 01, 2013, 05:23:23 PM what chip burner do u suggest to use matches many eeproms
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: haygood on February 08, 2013, 12:49:40 AM I just bought an eBay cable from seller Brooklyn3490. It is all blue and shipped for $11.99. I opened it, and it has an FT232RL chip in it.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: yivek on February 25, 2013, 06:27:05 PM Anyone find a good ebay supplier for the correct cable? I have tried 4 cables so far and keep striking out.
At this point I should have bought a Galletto cable since I was trying to save money. Can anyone confirm that the Galletto cable that is being sold today will work? These I have tried so far: New OBDII KKL 409.1 USB OBD2 Diagnostic VAG-COM Cable For VW/Audi/Seat/Skoda VAG-COM KKL 409.1 OBD2 USB Cable Scanner Scan Auto Tool Audi VW SEAT Volkswagen New Opel Immo Airbag Reader Airbag Scanner Vag Tacho 3.01 An Ebay VAG-COM cable my buddy gave me The New Opel Immo Airbag Reader Airbag Scanner Vag Tacho 3.01 was the closest with FT245RL which would not work. The other two I bought were done because one shipper was wasting tons of time so I bought a second one. Neither have a FTDI chip in them. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: ddillenger on February 26, 2013, 01:40:32 AM http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-KKL-ECU-DIAGNOSTIC-CABLE-409-1-OBD2-II-LEAD-FOR-VW-AUDI-SEAT-SKODA-232BL-M-/370623736169?pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item564ae56969
That cable works great, but the 232/245bm chip doesn't have a serial number, and as such won't allow licensing of premium features. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: cyril279 on February 26, 2013, 05:28:22 AM yivek,
I recently bought a "vag 409.1 kkl" cable, and found out it had a ch034 in it? and promptly returned it. searching "KKL OBD" or "KKL VAG" returns lots of cables, but it's a gamble as to which has the ft232r* chip inside. Try one of these if US (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=ft232+obd&_osacat=0&_from=R40&LH_PrefLoc=1&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313&_nkw=ft232rl+obd&_sacat=0), or one of these if UK (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=ft232rl+obd&_sacat=0&_odkw=ft232rl+obd&_osacat=0&_from=R40&LH_PrefLoc=1) Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: yivek on February 26, 2013, 12:08:39 PM http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-KKL-ECU-DIAGNOSTIC-CABLE-409-1-OBD2-II-LEAD-FOR-VW-AUDI-SEAT-SKODA-232BL-M-/370623736169?pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item564ae56969 That cable works great, but the 232/245bm chip doesn't have a serial number, and as such won't allow licensing of premium features. Ok Thank you! I am not sure if I will do the premium features yet since I am just getting into this. yivek, I recently bought one of these (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&vxp=mtr&item=390545589076), and found out it had a ch034 in it? and promptly returned it. searching "KKL OBD" or "KKL VAG" returns lots of cables, but it's a gamble as to which has the ft232r* chip inside. Try one of these if US (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=ft232+obd&LH_PrefLoc=1), or one of these if UK (http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=ft232+obd&LH_PrefLoc=1) Thank you again! Awesome to see some truly useful replies, since I am used to seeing forums send the "Go search" response. From what I am seeing the galletto cable seems to be the same as these cheap ones just with a price tag of 5x as much. I will check with some of those US supplies and see what I can do. Thank you all again! Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: cyril279 on February 26, 2013, 12:27:30 PM yivek, don't worry about purchasing a specific galletto cable.
The reason that the FT232 chip is the preferred chip is that it can be reprogrammed (if needed) to work with >>several programs<< (http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3138.0title=) provided right here on this forum. happy flashing -Cyril Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: yivek on February 26, 2013, 01:19:51 PM Awesome to know!
I have been reading the site over a few months and never realized that nor ran into the link you posted. Thank you again, I will try one of the ebay suppliers and report back. Maybe I can help a new person avoid buying the wrong cables like I did (at least they are cheap). Now if I can only figure out what to do with these old cables I don't need. :) Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: nyet on February 26, 2013, 01:44:11 PM yivek, don't worry about purchasing a specific galletto cable. The reason that the FT232 chip is the preferred chip is that it can be reprogrammed (if needed) to work with >>several programs<< (http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3138.0title=) provided right here on this forum. happy flashing -Cyril cyril, great post. stickied. Thank you! Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: yivek on March 08, 2013, 08:04:59 AM Well,
Looks like I struck out again, http://www.ebay.com/itm/360557922005?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 This one did not have a FT232RL chip in it. I tired all the drivers and it still would not work. So I do have this one coming in, http://www.ebay.com/itm/271132177003?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 But that is from China so that could be next month I get it. Thank you guys for all your help. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: cyril279 on March 08, 2013, 08:49:26 AM Well, Looks like I struck out again, http://www.ebay.com/itm/360557922005?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 This one did not have a FT232RL chip in it. I tired all the drivers and it still would not work. my apologies yivek, I too just learned that those cables are being sent with ft232/245bm chips, and I've complained, but I think the language barrier may be too big to get it right. They're sending me another cable free of charge, but I'm afraid it'll be the same. One of the original preferred ebay sellers (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=ft232&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_okw=&_oexkw=&_adv=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=200&_fpos=&_fsct=&LH_SALE_CURRENCY=0&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alpha-bid&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=50) still seems active, I'll probably give them a shot next. edit: the second cable (sent free of charge), was indeed another ft232/245bm, and they don't understand my complaint, so both have been returned. thumbs down for "hi-autopia" (http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/Cyril279/image_zpsb86ba05f.png) Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: ddillenger on March 08, 2013, 08:52:50 AM Those all blue cables work fine for standard features, but as you can't change or even insert a serial premium features and galletto won't work.
BTW-I've seen dozens of them, all of the all blue cables have had the BM chipset. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: yivek on March 08, 2013, 08:56:18 AM my apologies yivek, I too just learned that those cables are being sent with ft232/245bm chips, and I've complained, but I think the language barrier may be too big to get it right. They're sending me another cable free of charge, but I'm afraid it'll be the same. one of the original preferred ebay sellers (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=ft232&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_okw=&_oexkw=&_adv=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=200&_fpos=&_fsct=&LH_SALE_CURRENCY=0&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alpha-bid&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=50) still seems active, I'll probably give them a shot next. No worries man, the GF thinks I am nuts with all the wires and cables all over my desk lol. I wrote the seller telling him that it did not work and to update his description. I couldn't even see any writing on the chip this time and I couldn't write to it either. I think it came up as a USB to Serial port on device manager... :-\ Either way I just want one cable to work by this time. My standard procedure seems to be order two at a time, check, set aside and order again lol. I appreciate all the help and I will update when I get the next cable in. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: yivek on March 08, 2013, 08:58:44 AM Those all blue cables work fine for standard features, but as you can't change or even insert a serial premium features and galletto won't work. BTW-I've seen dozens of them, all of the all blue cables have had the BM chipset. Well I have had 3 blue ones and I can't get any software (NefMoto) to recognize them. Galletto won't work? I thought that was the sure fire cable that would work? Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: ddillenger on March 08, 2013, 09:10:13 AM I said the blue cable won't work with the galletto software. The galletto cable should work fine. What OS are you running (on your computer)?
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: yivek on March 08, 2013, 09:20:25 AM I said the blue cable won't work with the galletto software. The galletto cable should work fine. What OS are you running (on your computer)? Oh sorry, I miss read that. I am running my old college PC, so Windows XP SP3 I believe. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: ddillenger on March 08, 2013, 09:22:47 AM You have another issue. Does nefmoto detect the cable? Sounds like the drivers you're using are bad. Have you tried manually installing them, not letting windows do it?
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: cyril279 on March 08, 2013, 09:36:27 AM Well I have had 3 blue ones and I can't get any software (NefMoto) to recognize them. Galletto won't work? I thought that was the sure fire cable that would work? When I had trouble connecting with NefMoto the log shows that the cable chip could not be read. Driver trouble? Uninstall + reinstall drivers and NefMoto... 04-mar-2013 07:17:05.439: LOG: Opened FTDI device. 04-mar-2013 07:17:05.440: LOG: FTDI device info - Description: USB <-> Serial Serial Number: Device Type: FT_DEVICE_BM ID: 0x4036001 Device Flags: 0x0 04-mar-2013 07:17:05.440: LOG: FTDI ChipID DLL is loaded, checking chip ID... 04-mar-2013 07:17:05.440: LOG: Unable to read FTDI device chip ID 04-mar-2013 07:17:05.463: USER: Validated FTDI device is in dumb mode. 04-mar-2013 07:17:05.467: LOG: Starting send receive thread. 04-mar-2013 07:17:05.468: LOG: Send receive thread now started. IF your log file looks anything like this, then the inability to "read ftdi device chip" is because of the type of chip (FT232/245BM), and is not preventing Nefmoto from using the cable or communicating with the ECU... Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: yivek on March 08, 2013, 10:11:05 AM You have another issue. Does nefmoto detect the cable? Sounds like the drivers you're using are bad. Have you tried manually installing them, not letting windows do it? Yeah, I have tried the galletto drivers that were posted up here: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3088.0title= This last time it said it was the wrong device and wouldn't install the divers. I also tried the drivers that I was sent with one of those bootleg vag com cables, received the same issue on that fact that the device was wrong. Link: http://www.upzone.com/downloads/summary/5-drivers/680-the-driver-of-opel-immo-airbag-reader-airbag-scanner-q00632.html The last cable I just got, no NefMoto say it can't find a device. The one cable that did slightly work, programmed it, and NefMoto recognized the cable, but had issues reading the ECU (it has been a bit I could go try again and get specifics, but it looked like the same issue a guy in this thread had.) Granted I did get this ECU out of a A4 Audi in a junk yard, so that might be part of the issue. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: eliotroyano on March 28, 2013, 09:53:47 PM I have the same issue like you friends. I receive KKL interface with WCH CH340T USB-Serial IC inside. It is well documented around the net that this USB-Serial IC have a poor performance and it is highly unstable specially for critical tasks like flashing / programming. Apparently the problem is that the output levels are different from the RS232 standard.
You can check it here: http://forums.adafruit.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=35435 , http://forums.adafruit.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=35933 . Also looking for a better interface I found something well priced but with far superior design and quality chips inside. What do you think friends --> http://www.obd2-shop.eu/kl901obdusbkkldiagnosticinterface-p-230.html . It not only uses the FT232RL programable USB-RS232 serial converter, it also uses a dedicated ISO9141 IC, the L9647 instead LM339 or LM393 comparators, improving it stability and speed. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: jiggle on April 02, 2013, 06:52:34 AM Does anyone know of a good uk supplier for the correct cables, ebay ? I have a 232 bm chip in mine and cant seem to find the better cable anywhere.
Thank you Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: jiggle on April 02, 2013, 03:02:11 PM Just to update, I couldnt find one with a uk seller, but i ordered one from china for next to nothing that claims to have the 232rl. Il post back if it works
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: mrdave on May 02, 2013, 08:10:46 PM I recently purchased this cable: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HO23OC/
And it has FT232RL and LM339 chips, if anyone is interested. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: G60Dub on May 04, 2013, 04:48:39 PM Does anyone know of a good uk supplier for the correct cables, ebay ? I have a 232 bm chip in mine and cant seem to find the better cable anywhere. Thank you I'd like to know this as well - I have VCDS lite and can connect to my ECU using NefMoto without issue but wish to use my KKL cable with VAGCAN & VAGTACHO cant seem to flash my FTDI 232BL cable with MProg. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: allen123 on May 18, 2013, 09:26:17 AM I tried this cable http://www.ebay.com/itm/271191409966
Listing says it has FT232RL Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: allen123 on May 18, 2013, 09:26:53 AM I tried this cable http://www.ebay.com/itm/271191409966
Listing is correct, the cable has a FT232RL. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: beechj on May 26, 2013, 09:33:33 AM Also, Ross-Tech states that the HEX-CAN-USB only works with VCDS because it does not support COM ports. The NefMoto software communicates with the USB chip via the FTDI SDK and does not require COM port support, and so it works great with the HEX-CAN-USB. Does this also mean that you do not need to install the virtual COM port drivers? I am having similar problems to other users with my genuine HEX-CAN-USB cable, there is no echo from the FTDI chip: LOG: Opened NefMoto VW Audi ME7 ECU Flasher BETA 1.9.1.2 LOG: Setting Address: 0x01 KeyByte1: 0x6B KeyByte2: 0x0F LOG: Opened FTDI device. LOG: FTDI device info - Description: Ross-Tech HEX-USB Serial Number: RT000001 Device Type: FT_DEVICE_232R ID: 0x403FA30 Device Flags: 0x0 LOG: FTDI ChipID DLL is loaded, checking chip ID... LOG: FTDI device chip ID: 0xD4FFC445 USER: Failed to read test echo from FTDI device. LOG: Setting Address: 0x01 KeyByte1: 0x6B KeyByte2: 0x0F LOG: Closing FTDI device. LOG: Could not open FTDI device Incidentally, I have also tried installing the VCP drivers to see if that was the problem. My lead was still able to communicate with the ECM via VCDS but I still had no joy with NefMoto. Same error as above. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: AARDQ on June 05, 2013, 07:49:15 AM Boot in intelligent mode turned off?
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: BraxS4 on June 10, 2013, 10:41:06 PM just ordered this USA shipment, i will report back..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221216128171 Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: nine9six on August 29, 2013, 04:13:16 PM I recently purchased this cable: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HO23OC/ And it has FT232RL and LM339 chips, if anyone is interested. Can Anyone confirm this? I have been buying off ebay for ones listed with FT232 but been striking out. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: BraxS4 on August 29, 2013, 04:28:11 PM buy the one i posted, it works
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: nine9six on August 29, 2013, 09:18:28 PM Brax, the seller doesn't seem to have any more for sale. I was looking for his auction.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: BraxS4 on August 29, 2013, 09:27:40 PM MSG him on eBay
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: kory2000pr on August 20, 2014, 05:36:25 PM http://www.ebay.com/itm/231026556048?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Just got this one today. Cable is no good. ch inside. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: kingkhalilz on September 09, 2014, 10:42:50 PM http://www.ebay.com/itm/VAG-COM-USB-KKL-409-1-cable-for-AUDI-VW-OBD2-OBD-2-/321180765164?hash=item4ac7dd8bec&item=321180765164&pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&vxp=mtr
gunna try this one. says it has the right chip is description. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: KmosK04 on September 29, 2014, 09:34:46 AM Anyone know if this is working with nefmoto?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AutoDia-K409-Interface-USB-VAG-KKL-OBD-2-VW-Audi-Seat-Skoda-Diagnose-Software-/151015643685?pt=Elektroger%C3%A4te&hash=item23293bda25 Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: stuklr on October 10, 2014, 04:48:45 PM I recently purchased this cable: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008HO23OC/ And it has FT232RL and LM339 chips, if anyone is interested. Do Not buy THIS one. It comes with the CH340 chip in it. Not compatible. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: ddillenger on October 10, 2014, 04:54:03 PM Unless it SAYS FTDI, don't buy it. Most sellers just buy the cheapest cables they can get, and it turns into luck of the draw.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: KmosK04 on October 13, 2014, 04:29:05 AM Anyone know if this is working with nefmoto? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AutoDia-K409-Interface-USB-VAG-KKL-OBD-2-VW-Audi-Seat-Skoda-Diagnose-Software-/151015643685?pt=Elektroger%C3%A4te&hash=item23293bda25 Works great! Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: nyet on October 22, 2014, 11:46:54 AM Just a heads up... latest windows FTDI drivers *permanently* disable FTDI232 knockoffs
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=7101.0 Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables - Eurodyne flash cable Post by: guentherkapp on November 09, 2014, 05:24:09 PM Does anyone know of any technical or none-technical (maybe business) reasons why the Eurodyne flash cable would not work? ::)
I tested it today and only got as far as getting the following messages in the Status Windows.
Please be so kind and note - I have installed the latest FTDI drivers and have no message or indication in the device manager that the FTDI device driver is not functional. Please let me know. Guenther Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Waspjr on November 29, 2014, 12:11:20 PM I bought the blue end and clear cable
Title reads Vag-com USB kkl 409.1 cable Seller is game adventure I have connected via nef and taken apart and actually seen the ftdi 232r chip. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: undertaker on December 21, 2014, 10:15:41 AM Hello,
I use this hex-can clone and after many attempts I think I manage it to work. http://www.xcar360.com/super-vag-com-12-12-vcds-english-german-french.html (http://www.xcar360.com/super-vag-com-12-12-vcds-english-german-french.html) I get usual message failed to read test echo from FTDI device. (http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a409/undertaker985/c14143c6-2d14-4db3-9fdf-742f77d8dc06_zpsf2d871ab.png) (http://s1032.photobucket.com/user/undertaker985/media/c14143c6-2d14-4db3-9fdf-742f77d8dc06_zpsf2d871ab.png.html) So I do next. First I set dumb mode in VCDS: (http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a409/undertaker985/d6c30bdc-1aed-459e-a5bd-8295d5d91ec7_zps222fb8f0.png) (http://s1032.photobucket.com/user/undertaker985/media/d6c30bdc-1aed-459e-a5bd-8295d5d91ec7_zps222fb8f0.png.html) Then go to Nefmoto settings (VCDS was still opened in background) and uncheck ''Should verify cable in dumb mode'': (http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a409/undertaker985/a48bd1f2-36aa-415c-b5c6-8e572b4b008d_zps23b1c7a1.png) (http://s1032.photobucket.com/user/undertaker985/media/a48bd1f2-36aa-415c-b5c6-8e572b4b008d_zps23b1c7a1.png.html) After that interface respond in slowinit and fastinit: (http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a409/undertaker985/606404c0-92a1-4937-ad45-afa149d8a3b4_zps03bdb9a7.png) (http://s1032.photobucket.com/user/undertaker985/media/606404c0-92a1-4937-ad45-afa149d8a3b4_zps03bdb9a7.png.html) (http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/a409/undertaker985/62dba828-ecd0-45b2-b2a1-89a17304148e_zpsc6693cb5.png) (http://s1032.photobucket.com/user/undertaker985/media/62dba828-ecd0-45b2-b2a1-89a17304148e_zpsc6693cb5.png.html) This all was done unplugged to car. So, still I need to try it in the car. Title: Could use some help and advice please Post by: guentherkapp on December 21, 2014, 06:15:39 PM I bought this cable - USB Interface VAG KKL 409.1 OBD2 Cable VAG-COM for VW AUDI Seat Skoda Jetta Bora. It works very well with the com port and VAG-COM, but as soon as I try to set it to USB as suggested the Getting Started guide threat - I get the message - Ross-Tech USB interface not found! interface: not found! ???
The device does also not appear in the Flasher Logger device list. Any ideas and suggestions? Please let me know. Guenther Just in case, if this could be helpful. The com port identifies itself as USB-SERIAL CH340 port in the ports (com & LPT) section of the Device Manager. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: motorkompf on February 19, 2015, 01:24:44 PM http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blue-VAG-COM-USB-KKL-409-1-Cable-OBD2-OBDII-FT232RL-KWP2000-ISO9141-FOR-VW-AUDI-/111579011497?
Does this cable meet the requirements? thanks in advance Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Waspjr on February 28, 2015, 12:32:21 AM Ok well you can use the ross tech genuine cable. You might need to install it as a vcp which you can do under the ross tech software website. Although in my experience its best to use a clone and to install it as a vcp to a certain port.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Waspjr on February 28, 2015, 12:33:26 AM You need a FTDI 232r chord. There is many cheep knock offs but it has to have this.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: TijnCU on August 07, 2015, 03:08:50 AM Just received my new cable from eBay:
http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=141651292396&alt=web Works with nefmoto, me7l and older vag com. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: marchewa on September 11, 2015, 03:10:53 AM Hello
Could someone upload vag-com eeprom dump for ftdi232r chip? I've accidentaly flashed another file to my cable by MProg and just want to bring it back to life, but unfortunately i didn't save ori dump Regards Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: TijnCU on September 17, 2015, 12:45:23 AM I dont have a dump, but I did find this template on my pc. Maybe it works?
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: slappynuts on October 15, 2015, 06:00:57 AM Anyone using the arduino Ft232rl board? I am sick of buying cables and have them fail.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: slappynuts on October 15, 2015, 06:33:46 AM Just received my new cable from eBay: http://pages.ebay.com/motors/link/?nav=item.view&id=141651292396&alt=web Works with nefmoto, me7l and older vag com. I had tho one work a few times and then quit. Not sure what happened yet. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: TijnCU on October 16, 2015, 12:56:53 AM @slappynuts, I had the same, and after contacting the seller I tried to repair it with another usb cord. It did not work, but then the seller paid for return shipping and send me a new cable free of charge. He would then examine the cable himself too to find out the problem. My new cable works perfect again :)
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: slappynuts on October 16, 2015, 06:52:17 PM A quick look and a little solder action and this one is back in action. This FTDI chip does look like the real deal (laser etched).
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Larky on November 25, 2015, 12:10:40 PM From what i can tell its been more than a month since anyone has given notice as to which is a good cable to buy so i thought i would ask if anyone has bought a working cable that they would recommend/share a link or somethin. From reading the thread I hope all the bad cables are a thing of the past but i doubt it.
So far this is what i know from reading the entire thread and i hope this helps put it all together in a nutshell for others just starting out like me looking for a FTDI FT232R or FT232RL (L = Lead Free) chip KKL 409.1 OBD2 / ISO 9141 USB Cable -What to Avoid FT232B or FT232BL these dont have a reprogram-able chip that is needed by various software that identifies the cable and is also needed by Nefmoto for premium features to work CH340 Chipset = bad, cant remember why just now but you dont want this -What to look for FT232R or FT232RL Must be a genuine FTDI chip or it will die with updated drivers also the R variant is reprogram-able which is needed for some software and Nefmoto for premium features LM339 chip-set = good, this is the one to get Well so far thats what i have i cut out alot of the why's and tried to keep it simple would appreciate it if anyone has bought a working cable recently if they could post a link, I finally have some time and money to get working on this car of mine and want to get started right away Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: TijnCU on November 25, 2015, 01:15:35 PM You could have better spent that time buying a cable that suits your needs and start tuning ;D If you have doubts, look for sellers previously mentioned and write them your q's ::)
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: ddillenger on November 25, 2015, 02:22:02 PM You could read the thread that isn't 5 years old, "CABLES THAT YOU, THE MEMBERS HAVE CONFIRMED WORKING".
or this http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-cable-for-Triumph-Motorcycles-TuneECU-FTDI-FT232RL-Chip-OBD-II-KTM-Tune-ECU-/301748110752?hash=item464196c5a0:g:B5oAAOSwFnFWAa8h&item=301748110752&vxp=mtr Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Instigater on April 15, 2016, 08:23:22 AM I got KKL cable off ebay and driver installed is CH340. Nefmoto doesn't show it under interfaces. Is it any good or I should consider it as a donation to Chinese economy?
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: nyet on April 15, 2016, 05:53:23 PM I got KKL cable off ebay and driver installed is CH340. Nefmoto doesn't show it under interfaces. Is it any good or I should consider it as a donation to Chinese economy? Worthless. Title: Re: Post by: bobbyz0r on April 15, 2016, 07:46:18 PM Someone correct me if I am wrong, but BMW K+DCAN cables usually have the FT232RL chip, as I don't think the CH340 works with the BMW INPA software. I've used one on a Subaru for SSM K line, and it worked fine for logging. They do tend to sell for a tad more than the knock off KKL cables though.
Sent from my Redmi Note 2 using Tapatalk Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Instigater on April 17, 2016, 09:38:51 AM I have BMW diagnostic cable and it works for reading and writing tunes. The sad part is that I cannot do any logging with this cable.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: 217zenki on May 23, 2016, 07:59:16 PM I was instructed to buy the 409 cable by daz. I did so and now I'm trying use it for the first time after purchasing it 8months ago. I'm trying to get everything up todate before applying a tune. I jus bought a new laptop with windows 10 on it jus for this but I'm having issues. vcds only reads limited sections
Address 01: Engine Protocol: KW1281 Controller: Note: Excessive Comm Errors Address 08: Auto HVAC Protocol: KW1281 Controller: 8D0 820 043 P Component: A4 KLIMAAUTOMAT D56 Coding: 00160 Shop #: WSC 06325 Address 15: Airbags Protocol: KW1281 Controller: Note: Excessive Comm Errors Address 17: Instruments Protocol: KW1281 Controller: 8D0 920 980 D Component: B5-KOMBIINSTR. VDO D10 Coding: 02264 Shop #: WSC 00000 Address 33: OBD-II Protocol: ???? Controller: OBD-II/EOBD, Protocol Keyword: $0808 Address 35: Centr. Locks Protocol: KW1281 Controller: Note: Excessive Comm Errors Address 45: Inter. Monitor Protocol: KW1281 Controller: Note: Excessive Comm Errors Address 55: Xenon Range Protocol: KW1281 Controller: 4B0 907 357 Component: LEUCHTWEITEREGLER D003 Coding: 00012 Shop #: WSC 06325 Why is this ? is there anything I can do to fix this issue?Im trying another laptop tomorrow to see if that's the culprit. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: SUPREME on June 20, 2017, 04:05:17 PM Just received my cable in the mail today, verified 232RL FTDI chip.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FTDI-FT232RL-VAG-COM-KKL-409-1-OBD2-K-LINE-ISO9141-USB-FOR-VW-AUDI-SKODA-SEAT/141651292396?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: BlackT on August 14, 2017, 07:52:15 AM Can I use one of these cabels?
VAG 12.12 FTDI FT232RL (https://s28.postimg.org/om4zgyz5p/IMG_20170814_160741.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/ck9lmtpx5/) (https://s28.postimg.org/ykpy3g8l9/IMG_20170814_161255.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/nxw4y10ft/) CAN COMMANDER 1.4 FTDI FT232RQ (https://s30.postimg.org/tidrh4xa9/IMG_20170814_161122.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/dk51r0325/) (https://s30.postimg.org/6i744szgh/IMG_20170814_161306.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/ol06w0vb1/) Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: professor on April 24, 2018, 12:12:14 PM Hello, can anyone link a cable that works with nefmoto? Tried 3 different 232rl cables, that work with vcds but not with nefmoto sw. TIA.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: rogerius on April 24, 2018, 11:37:17 PM Hello, can anyone link a cable that works with nefmoto? Tried 3 different 232rl cables, that work with vcds but not with nefmoto sw. TIA. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAG-KKL-USB-COM-OBD-2-Diagnostic-Cable-for-AUDI-VW-Skoda-Seat-OBDII-EOBD-FT232RL-/301284625052?hash=item4625f68a9cworking well Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: professor on April 25, 2018, 02:21:18 AM https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAG-KKL-USB-COM-OBD-2-Diagnostic-Cable-for-AUDI-VW-Skoda-Seat-OBDII-EOBD-FT232RL-/301284625052?hash=item4625f68a9c Just to clarify, this is working well with nefmoto flashing sw for you?working well Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: rogerius on April 25, 2018, 06:17:17 AM Just to clarify, this is working well with nefmoto flashing sw for you? Nefmoto and Me7Logger, both i use with this cable. Reading, writing and logging. Yes, I confirm.Unfortunately it takes it's time, approx 13.5 min to write as my requests for Premium Licence were in vain. :-). That would have been a mere 27s ?! MPPS v.12 takes only 2.2min to write, at a similar price. Do you want a link for that, too? Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: professor on April 25, 2018, 12:48:54 PM Nefmoto and Me7Logger, both i use with this cable. Reading, writing and logging. Yes, I confirm. Yes and thank you.Unfortunately it takes it's time, approx 13.5 min to write as my requests for Premium Licence were in vain. :-). That would have been a mere 27s ?! MPPS v.12 takes only 2.2min to write, at a similar price. Do you want a link for that, too? Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: rogerius on April 25, 2018, 09:40:28 PM Yes and thank you. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MPPS-V13-Chip-Tuning-VAG-OBD2-Car-ECU-Program-Diagnostic-Cable-Scanner-Tool/331206046561?epid=928322701&hash=item4d1d6b3361:g:mQwAAOSwMEBar90FTitle: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Nobilia7 on May 13, 2019, 02:04:44 AM Hello Tony,
I have a blue USB cable, labeled KKL409.1, FTDI 232BM chip. When I launch Nefmoto and hover the mouse over the device, it shows: Type: FT_DEVICE_BM ChipID: Not supported by this device Just want to confirm my cable will work properly before attempting to flash my ECU (2000 GOLF-4 with EDC15VM+). Thanks. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Risky on May 13, 2019, 08:10:50 AM Unfortunately, that cable won't work with edc. Only me7 ecus.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Nobilia7 on May 13, 2019, 01:10:58 PM Will this cable not work, or will the program not work with EDC15? Thanks.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: nyet on May 13, 2019, 06:45:24 PM Will this cable not work, or will the program not work with EDC15? Thanks. The NefMoto flasher ONLY works with ME7 Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Nobilia7 on May 14, 2019, 01:22:17 AM many thanks.
Title: Re: Recommended Galletto Cable for use in Win 10 ? Post by: GolfSportWagen on October 10, 2019, 01:44:08 PM Has anyone found a Galletto cable with a proper digitally signed driver for use with Win 10?
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: GolfSportWagen on October 11, 2019, 03:00:58 PM Is the only difference between a basic KKL cable and a Galletto cable the fact that the Galletto cable can be used in boot mode to recover a bricked ECU?
Title: Re: Recommended Galletto Cable for use in Win 10 ? Post by: ZakDodge on October 11, 2019, 11:20:45 PM Has anyone found a Galletto cable with a proper digitally signed driver for use with Win 10? I use a $12 galletto cable off of amazon. works with windows 10. Sometimes ill flash my ross-tech cable to the galletto .ept file and that works even. I have tried to use the Vag K+ Can Commander cables with no luck but those work with me7logger. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: GolfSportWagen on October 12, 2019, 02:55:43 PM Thanks for the reply. Do you have a link to the source of the Galletto/Win 10 viable cable? Are you using the drivers included with the Galletto CD?
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: RicarGli on October 19, 2019, 11:32:46 AM I just bought his cable which worked flawlessly with Nefmoto (https://www.ebay.com/itm/FTDI-FT232RL-VAG-COM-KKL-409-1-OBD2-KWP2000-ISO9141-USB-FOR-VW-AUDI/273510962411?_mwBanner=1&ul_ref=https%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F0%2F0%2F0%3Fmpre%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.com%252Fulk%252Fitm%252F273510962411%26rvr_id%3D0%26rvr_ts%3De54a34de16d0aaa2893330f1fff58621&ul_noapp=true&pageci=5875c070-97b8-49c5-8f0f-58c3a5e3a56d&epid=1660061025)
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: GolfSportWagen on October 19, 2019, 02:56:54 PM Thanks for the link. I have a K-Line cable that is currently working on ME 7.1 ECUs but I cannot find any Galletto cable with proper drivers for Win 10 which is desired for reading/flashing in boot mode.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: 316LV on October 20, 2019, 03:14:46 PM Thanks for the link. I have a K-Line cable that is currently working on ME 7.1 ECUs but I cannot find any Galletto cable with proper drivers for Win 10 which is desired for reading/flashing in boot mode. If you have a working cable, you can just modify Galletto to work with it. No separate cable needed. Here is a link from the late great Daz on how to do it: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3088.msg30597#msg30597 Don't both messing with the cable serial. Just read yours and then use a hex editor on the Galletto exe to input it, save the exe and you are up and going... I've been doing it that way through my last 4 cables (they seem to die when stored in my glovebox - Chinese quality!). Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: GolfSportWagen on October 20, 2019, 03:40:10 PM If you have a working cable, you can just modify Galletto to work with it. No separate cable needed. Here is a link from the late great Daz on how to do it: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3088.msg30597#msg30597 Don't both messing with the cable serial. Just read yours and then use a hex editor on the Galletto exe to input it, save the exe and you are up and going... I've been doing it that way through my last 4 cables (they seem to die when stored in my glovebox - Chinese quality!). Thanks for the link. I'll look into it and see if we can move forward. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: CrashKrazz on April 21, 2020, 03:19:12 PM Is there any reason the FT231X chip would not be compatible? it appears to support the same drivers as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: masterb on May 09, 2020, 11:14:40 PM is also Tactrix Openport supportet ? Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: d3irb on May 11, 2020, 10:17:03 AM is also Tactrix Openport supportet ? No. Only FTDI based cables are supported. This is because NefMoto uses FTDI FTD2XX DLLs for serial communication. I think this was done mostly to allow the EEPROM to be used for license checking. Now that NefMoto is open source ,it shouldn't be too hard to allow it to support generic COM cables. However, Tactrix would be more challenging to support than generic COM cables because it does not use a serial communication driver but rather the J2534 diagnostics protocol. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Rick81 on May 23, 2021, 11:57:47 PM I tried my tactrix cable and I couldn't connect
Sent from my CPH1931 using Tapatalk Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: markhodges78 on December 31, 2021, 12:11:52 PM Could anyone recommend a cable that would work for this software?
Thanks in advance Mark Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: rdrage on January 08, 2022, 06:48:03 AM Could anyone recommend a cable that would work for this software? Thanks in advance Mark Hello .. I have been working with me7 for 12-13 years, tested several cables. This one is best. Never had any problems with all the me7 programs :) https://www.ebay.de/itm/131620888619?hash=item1ea537602b:g:XiAAAOSwKIdaaZRb Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: bonilla on February 11, 2022, 07:09:24 AM I just purchased the following cable https://www.ebay.it/itm/164401045711 but I am unable to have it shown in NefMoto 1.9.4.3 (Win7 64 bit)
Are there any obvious reasons the cable is not good or am I doing something wrong? Thanks! Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: macxxx on February 11, 2022, 12:08:30 PM I guess its based on ch340 chip so IT won't work. Check in device manager if I'm right.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: bonilla on February 12, 2022, 03:17:03 PM Yes, you are right. Darn, I should have read the post more carefully...
So I should get a KKL cable with a FT232R chip, right? I didn't check the chip, I just went for a generic KKL 409.1 cable. Thanks! Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Blazius on February 13, 2022, 05:06:52 AM Yes, you are right. Darn, I should have read the post more carefully... So I should get a KKL cable with a FT232R chip, right? I didn't check the chip, I just went for a generic KKL 409.1 cable. Thanks! If you want it work with nefmoto, then yes. Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: Lude on February 18, 2022, 03:28:35 PM Hi I can still look for a cable this https://www.obd2-shop.eu/product_info.php/products_id/233empfhelen.
Works with Nefmoto perfect as well as with Gallatto 1260, EDIABAS, INPA, CarSoft.... Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: maxXAM on March 31, 2022, 07:16:03 PM i got this cable from aliexpress about 2 months now with no issues and used with windows 10 and installed the driver with windows drivers update all goody no worries works great
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33053101809.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.0.0.21ef1802CeP61x (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33053101809.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.0.0.21ef1802CeP61x) Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: royce5950 on April 03, 2022, 07:44:54 PM Second link in my signature. All Black w/ FTDI chip FT232R
Next day dispatch from Oregon USA (https://docs.google.com/uc?export=&id=17gPdcfSj7KM-tdlh9MHO04juyqpFFeiE) Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: JeanAwt on October 07, 2022, 11:57:39 PM Hello, I just bought this cable https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005001446365247.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.0.0.3f635e5buMp0nw&gatewayAdapt=glo2fra
but it is clone chip A50285BI flags 0x00000000 chipID:not supported by this device premium feature licensing not supported so I'm looking for a real FT232R. if anyone has a recent link. thank you Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: eneas91 on May 27, 2023, 01:16:01 PM Hello guys,
Anybody has had any experience with the following cable? https://www.ebay.com/itm/394597520000?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=-SEUJ-XtQyW&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=bHCxj3oIRp6&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY (https://www.ebay.com/itm/394597520000?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=-SEUJ-XtQyW&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=bHCxj3oIRp6&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY) Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: macxxx on May 27, 2023, 01:18:31 PM Looks nice - it has ft232RL
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: vagtech90 on June 18, 2023, 05:07:53 PM will the ft2332rq chip work for premium account? here is link if anyone could shed light on this? don't want to waste time or money.
Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: vagtech90 on June 18, 2023, 05:10:22 PM will the ft232rq chip work for premium account? here is link if anyone could shed light on this? don't want to waste time or money. https://www.amazon.com/OHP-409-1-Genuine-Double-FT232RL/dp/B0BFDYC4SK Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: VogonPoet on July 03, 2023, 06:28:15 AM According to the FTDI data sheet, the FT232RL and FT232RQ are both versions of the FT232R.
The different suffix relates to the packaging type, where L is a 28 Pin SSOP, and Q is a 32 Pin QFN. Original data sheet can be seen here: https://ftdichip.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/DS_FT232R.pdf There's a cable with a genuine FT232RL here on eBay: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185579674465 Title: Re: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: prj on July 03, 2023, 07:43:26 AM will the ft2332rq chip work for premium account? here is link if anyone could shed light on this? don't want to waste time or money. There's no premium account since forever, the full opensource version can do everything. Title: Recommended USB VAG KKL Cables Post by: 2stroke on September 03, 2024, 05:14:56 PM ??? Does anyone here have a link to a site in EUROPE where I can order the right USB cable
with a genuine FT232R / FT232RL chip ? ??? ( ECU: Bosch Motronic ME7.5 ) |