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« Reply #135 on: April 22, 2012, 04:13:22 PM »

I think its KFLDRL.  are there any other maps that I should be looking at?
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« Reply #136 on: April 22, 2012, 06:00:17 PM »

Its getting better.  I am still working on the spool.  The n75 duty cycle is still a bit low in a lot of areas and opening the VGT too soon.  I also think I am pegging the MAF.  See log.
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« Reply #137 on: April 23, 2012, 09:52:03 PM »

KFLDRL is almost maxed out.  Lowest percentage is 90.  The car feels pretty good.  I am still nto getting it to ramp up the boost fast enought like when I had the vgt locked in one position. 

1st gear kind of sux.  I can only get about 10-15 psi.  2nd is better, the turbo starts spooling pretty early, but doesnt hit the PSI I want until much later 5.5k.  Once or twice accidentally pegged the boost gage.  I guess its not so much the PSI right now its how much that Turbo is flowing.  It pulls really hard until I let off, the boost needle is almost in sync with the RPM needle and things happen pretty quick if I dont watch them.  Good thing about that is most of the time I finally hit about 23-25psi near redline.  3rd gear is the one I have to keep an eye on.  It builds fast and will hit 25psi by like 5k and will continue until I let off. 

I guess any higher lod gear gets the turbo going really good.  Its just 1st-2nd that I have to work on.  I am also leaning towards a boost leak.  I again overt tightened one of my industrial grade t-bolt clamps and it squished the intercoole piping a bit.  Also my fuel trims keep reading rich.  My new intercooler should be in this week, and I will get the charge piping laid it with minimal sillicon.

Any other boost related maps I should be looking at?  Also I max out my MAF what tabes should I look at for that?
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« Reply #138 on: May 01, 2012, 04:03:50 PM »

great car, but for some reason i find no video's, that is a necessity to posting your single turbo s4 on this forum Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #139 on: May 01, 2012, 04:05:25 PM »

great car, but for some reason i find no video's, that is a necessity to posting your single turbo s4 on this forum Grin Grin Grin

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« Reply #140 on: May 01, 2012, 09:15:50 PM »

KFLDRL is almost maxed out.  Lowest percentage is 90.

This makes absolutely zero sense
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« Reply #141 on: May 01, 2012, 10:16:14 PM »

Again.....thank you

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I am not a professional tuner, I have very limited experience, and I am learning as I go....as you can see.  I appreciate the help you have given me in the other thread to a point.  If you are getting frustrated that I am not exactly picking up what you are saying, or if you think I am looking for someone to do my file for me, or you dont want to reveal all the tricks of the trade, then just dont post when I ask questions.  No hard feelings either way, but please dont be condescending becasue I am not that way to you.  We all had to start somewhere right?  

I post what I have done, and my reasoning behind why I felt the change was necessary.  If you feel the change was not necessary or I could benefit from taking some other route please say so, and state your reasoning.
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« Reply #142 on: May 02, 2012, 07:51:37 AM »

Right now I am getting worn out.  As it was eleglantly pointed out to me, I really do not understand the PID control.  Wink  I keep reading the Funk pages regarding the PID, and it is just not clicking yet.  The WIKI gives me a general area as to where I should focus, and days and days of searching this forum and comapringg files have shown me a few areas to look.      

What I have done to this point:
Almost max out the KFLDRL table.  With the values set high here I still wasnt getting the N75 to do what I wanted.  I would log it and I would see that it was responding to the throttle tip in going into a higher demande load area, but wasnt givin me the high duty cycle I wanted.  So, this table was obviously not where all the changes needed to be made.  Something else was limiting or reducing the duty cylce of the N75.  

I was directed to look at the KFLDIMX map, since this one is supposed to limit the Duty Cyle of the N75.  Hopefully I am not misunderstanding this one.  I have been making small changes in the areas indicated by the WIKI, 800-1000 millibar 2500-5000rpms range.  Logging has shown that I am now getting more duty cycle sooner out of the N75 which is great.

Along with making the changes in the DIMX map, I have been lowering the DRL trying to get the duty Cylce to taper back off in the higher Load areas.  I have been playing with the idea of dropping the LDRXYN in the 4200rpm range since at this point the turbo should be fully spooled and neds to start transitioning to the larger AR ratio.  From what I have read and has been recently confirmed, the duty cyle is going to stay high if requested is much higher than actual.  According to my logs my requested is following the RXYN, and I kind of understand the logic as to why the duty cyle is staying so high.  What I am not so sure about is what else will be affcted if I lower the values.

I dont want to mess with the IRL or IOP maps yet becasue I really dont understand how they work together just yet.  I know I can add a percentage to IRL to get more load down low on part throttle/cruise...or so I have read in the several threads regarding the maps.  I know the IOP is an "inverse" map of the IRL, but I dont really know what to do to keep that map happy just yet.  Also, what other maps use input from theses two and need to be altered alongside.  At this point I dont think either of theses two maps are what I need to mess with just yet.

All I am trying to do right now is to get the N75 to, not gradully ramp up the duty cycle, but go 95% almost instantly.  With my 7PSI wastegate actuator the turbo has enough energy to start pushing the VGT open without the actuator controlling it.  I guess I am kind of trying to get it to be as close to a MBC operation as possible.  Normally closed to block off much pressure as possible and help the actuator hold the VGT closed.  I also think that how large of an A/R the VGT opens the hot side to, boost can be regulated without using a wastgate.  I will worry about that part after I get the spool charectresitics dialed in.  

I can actually feel when the N75 kicks into high DC.  It feels like the car has a bit of lag, slowly building boost, and then when all of a sudden she just takes off when the duty cycle jumps.  I know from when I had the VGT locked down in a minimal postion thath the hting can spool early, and build boost really fast.  Now I am trying to control it with the N75 to get as close to the same response as before, but now actually get the benefit of having the the VGT transiong to the larger AR.  I am hoping for a really broad power band and I know that controlling the VGT will be critical in getting the job done.  

I just have to figure out how to get it done.    

 

  
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« Reply #143 on: May 02, 2012, 08:40:11 AM »

I have been riding around with the my Innovate LM-1 hooked up for the past couple of days to verify my AFRs.  I like the Lm-1 becasue it is a standalone Wideband system. It isnt affected by grounds, power, or any of the other issues that seem to plague the LC-1.  My AFR have been verified to this poin to be where they should be at WOT.

I am going to leave MY KRKTE as is for now.  My Idle trims are usuaully +/-.8% so I assume my TVUB is satisfactory. 

"KFKHFM - fix up individual rich/lean areas, and WOT fueling issues."  -S4Wiki

Is this the direction I should go to clean up my LTFT?  I watch my STFT while driving and they are all over the place.  I logged them this morning shortly after I cleared the LTFT to see if I can get an indication as to which areas I should focus on.  Its not a true representation of the entire fueling map, but I do spen 90% of my time on the freeway and would like to get this load area cleaned up.  My LTFT start off really good....less than 5% for a long time and then for some reason they just shoot up, and the banks start fighting each other (one goes really + and the other goes opposite) and the motor starts misfiring, and runs poorly.

I do believe the adaptive values are helping keep the fueling in order.  I switched them off yesterday while I was driving and the AFR went from around 14.3-14.9 LTFT on at cruise to 13.4-15.6 with them off.

KFKHFM:  all 1.0001 until I dialed in the KRKTE
lower the values = lean out the area
raise the values = enrich

any thing else I should look into?
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« Reply #144 on: May 02, 2012, 02:39:09 PM »

I'll try to be a bit more constructive.

First thing to figure out is your fueling... in particular why your two banks are reporting such different STFTs
UNTIL you fix your fueling, dont bother worrying about boost. ONE thing at a time. NEVER try to fix several things at once.

Perhaps you have a bad injector, or valve, or fuel filter/pump/pr.

At some point, your LTFTs and STFTs should be more or less the same between the banks.

Once you get that problem fixed, you want to use KRKTE/MLHFM/TVUB to get your LTFTs more or less zero in both idle and part throttle regions.

Once you get your LTFTs stable, you can move on to boost, or try to clean up the STFTs. The biggest thing to remember about logging STFTs and using them to set up KFKHFM, is that you really only want to pay attention to values when load/rpm is stable. If either is moving around, your STFT isn't very useful.

So pick a gear and load point, aim for that, and hold it. Let it settle. Take a peek at your STFT. Rinse, repeat for different load/rpm combinations. Do corrections in KFKHFM. Obviously, this is much easier to do on a dyno than on the road.

Get all that working, come back, and i'll try to help with your boost issues.



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« Reply #145 on: May 02, 2012, 02:52:35 PM »

What is used to calculate stft?  In the log I did this Morning the trims were all over the place, bit the banks were pretty close together.  I will post the log in a hour or so.  I am on my way home now. 

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« Reply #146 on: May 02, 2012, 04:40:42 PM »

STFTs are in VCDS block 33 (iirc)
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« Reply #147 on: May 02, 2012, 05:15:38 PM »

Yeah, that's where they are when you are logging them in VCDS, but what is the ECM using to figure them out?  Is it reading the O2 and MAF? 
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« Reply #148 on: May 02, 2012, 05:36:19 PM »

STFTs are short term fuel trim based on narrow band O2 to correct fueling to get lambda=1
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« Reply #149 on: May 02, 2012, 05:43:49 PM »

That's what I was afraid of.  I only run one sensor in the downpipe after the turbo.  My LC-1 is giving the ecm two inputs, but its reading from the one sensor.  It just isn't making any snse why it would split the banks.  The narrowband voltages are
almost exact at all times on all logs taken.  The correction factors in the stft are also pretty close at all times also.   
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