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« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2013, 11:05:35 PM »

http://www.tascaparts.com/parts/index.cfm?searchText=DR3Z-9F593-A&make=Ford&action=oePartSearch&siteid=213668

$22.29 an injector.  Grin
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« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2013, 02:13:16 PM »

good price, what did you end up going with?
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« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2013, 11:44:13 AM »

Those injectors with EV1 to EV6 adapters and 12mm long, 14mm end fuel rail adapters.
https://www.treadstoneperformance.com/product.phtml?p=43891&cat_key=681&prodname=Aluminum+Injector+Hat+-+Blue

I might grab a 4 bar regulator from a Ford Fiesta, but probably not for a while.

Just the standard stuff. Should all be here by Friday hopefully.
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« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2013, 10:13:22 PM »

I'm installing a set within a week or so just to see what they actually are. I'll start with the values from the Ford Racing 50#, and go from there based on trims. Once trims are zero'd KRKTE should give a good indication of what size they actually are.

Have you tried the 198's? Were they really 47lb?

I would like to upgrade injectors now, because I'm sure my stockers are growing weak and running them on 18 psi puts them at 100% duty cycle easily.
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« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2014, 11:35:53 AM »

installed few days ago on my 1.8t with EV14-EV1 adapters
perfect fit, perfect idle, good coldstart and no issues with flat FKKVS
thanks DD!
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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2014, 02:41:10 PM »

lol wish I had stumbled onto this thread years ago awesome info!
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« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2014, 08:43:17 AM »

I spent all too much time researching this... I need a little more than these can flow and we are talking drilled out injectors above 62lb which vary in quality but none are done very precisely and certainly don't preserve dual cone spray pattern 298/117 have.

Note to anybody using these: When installing, make absolutely sure that the injector plugs are facing towards intake manifold at 90 degrees to fuel rail. These are vectored with dual split cone. There is a bend to the dual spray the produce. If you rotate them by any amount, the spray will be hitting walls and miss outside valves to some degree.
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« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2014, 10:45:03 AM »

Not all of the injectors above 62lb are drilled injectors...
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« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2014, 11:03:55 AM »

Not all of the injectors above 62lb are drilled injectors...

most of bosch are (except for 040 I believe?) and the ones that are not, have usually single cone spray without a bend... hardly optimal for our engines.
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« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2014, 11:29:24 AM »

I can get some 750's that are 5 hole disc. Not much more than these.
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« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2014, 06:18:53 PM »

I just picked up a set of these does anyone know if I need anything other than the adapters my motors a awp
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« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2014, 06:26:35 PM »

I can get some 750's that are 5 hole disc. Not much more than these.

re-drills... they are probably shooting straight and forget about proper vectoring. I highly doubt that the re-drilling place goes to any length to preserve original two cone, 15 deg for alpha 50 (central area where 50% of fuel volume ends up in) and crucial 12 deg bend so that it goes down the runners not into their walls. All the videos I saw with proper spray pattern are untouched bosch injectors, any higher flowing ones (modified) are just spraying varied atomization cone straight down.

The reason I am saying they won't do it is that it would be labor intensive and precision work to get the angle of hole/channel jsut right for end result being a nice two beam spray with right angles to it. Bosch has laser drills for that.

I could easily just drill my own too, not a rocket science, if I want straight pattern. I could even attempt some vectoring, my drill press can do one angle, the other would have to be obtained via some jig. I have a nice set of precision drill bit, some so small I can barely see them Smiley. Measuring flow afterwards would also be an interesting project. With tuning it myself I would not be concerned with how much precisely they flow, just to make sure they all flow the same.

Although I had a nice talk with a guy who sells these and he swore he makes them properly vectored and ensures the angles are preserved... but I am not sure if I trust them albeit having such convo on record with ebay, getting them and not getting what I want would ensure I get a refund on them. It would be a major waste of time though. The same guy thought I am lying that I can get bosch injector, in retail, that do 62lb out of the box for $22... He sells 117 redrills for $60. I guess his good run on these is over.

I guess we need to wait for ford to make 200hp higher GT500 for 2015 and unlimited $22 supply of 80lb injectors along with it Smiley

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« Reply #42 on: April 26, 2014, 08:52:00 PM »

Why buy drilled when Bosch makes 221 different variations of the EV14 injector all the way up 1023cc/min @ 3bar in single and dual cone patterns? Both cone patterns are available in narrow, medium and wide variations @ 15, 20 and 25 degrees.




Also to add to julex's note on installation of these injectors, a maximum of 2 degree angle deviation is permissible between the injector axis and the fuel rail cap, respectively to the intake manifold.
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« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2014, 09:06:19 PM »

not sure if this info has been posted before or not but for EV14 injectors:
 
The conversion of the flow-rates at changed pressures can be done by using the following formula:
 Flow rate (QstatP2) = square root of P2/P1 * QstatP1

P1 = current pressure
P2 = target pressure
Qstat = flowrate @ 100% opening time

Usually, the flow rates are shown in g/min, but it depends on the test medium. For this purpose, the following conversion is possible:
  
Qstat in g/min n-Heptan/0,684 = cm3/min
 
Qstat in g/min Gasoline/0,744 = cm3/min

Qstat in g/min ch20v3/0,780 = cm3/min

In order to achieve a better comparability,
the flow rates are usually stated at
3 bar (300 kPa).

this is straight from Bosch.

part number for a drop in 5bar FPR: B 280 550 113-03
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« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2014, 07:57:28 AM »

Why buy drilled when Bosch makes 221 different variations of the EV14 injector all the way up 1023cc/min @ 3bar in single and dual cone patterns? Both cone patterns are available in narrow, medium and wide variations @ 15, 20 and 25 degrees.




Also to add to julex's note on installation of these injectors, a maximum of 2 degree angle deviation is permissible between the injector axis and the fuel rail cap, respectively to the intake manifold.

Do you have their full current catalog? I couldn't find one and the ones from past didn't have anything over 600cc that would be dual cone and with bend. Post the catalog if you can!

By far the most comprehensive one from 2008 (sic) is this compilation: http://www.usrallyteam.com/content/products/injector/Bosch_Injector_data.xls

Anything newer than this is complete piece meal stuff, inaccurate and info missing. It is almost like bosch doesn't want their injector catalogs to be published on web...

Thanks.
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