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« Reply #240 on: September 11, 2015, 11:55:01 AM »

Sorry, I meant to attach the ASM picture but forgot.  I can't see any error (pvdr_w is definitely correct).



Ancient quote but I was right, sensor was different!
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« Reply #241 on: September 11, 2015, 11:56:27 AM »

On another note Golf R 2015 300PS - anyone looked at one?
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« Reply #242 on: September 12, 2015, 01:34:42 AM »

On another note Golf R 2015 300PS - anyone looked at one?

Yeah, it's SIMOS18 and has nothing to do with anything posted in this thread Smiley
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« Reply #243 on: September 12, 2015, 01:46:44 AM »

Yeah, it's SIMOS18 and has nothing to do with anything posted in this thread Smiley

Yeah sorry for that I only realised a long time after posting, and that sucked.
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« Reply #244 on: September 13, 2015, 09:39:13 AM »

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« Reply #245 on: September 13, 2015, 09:39:53 AM »

Yeah, it's SIMOS18 and has nothing to do with anything posted in this thread Smiley

Sorry OT! Simos18.1?
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« Reply #246 on: September 24, 2015, 01:04:30 AM »

Once again I feel like an idiot, but I take my chances as I want to be absolutely sure:

KFLDIMX together with KFLDIWL, LDIATA, KFLDIOPU output produce variable dimxr_w.
Output (irbgof_w) from the KFRBGOF is added to dimxr_w and the output variable will be dimxrk_w.
dimxrk_w is processed in LDDIMNN, LDDIMXN, capped by TVLDMX (unless > than dimxrk_w) and then becomes ldimx variable.

The PID controller calculates ldimx, ldimn, ldrkp, ldrki and ldrkd and produces ldtvr_w variable.
KFLDRL map modifies ldtvr_w based on the map contents and produces ldtv/_w variable which is the ultimate duty cycle for N75.

Is this even remotely correct?
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« Reply #247 on: October 11, 2015, 09:40:53 AM »

Hi
Im looking for map which is responsible for correct lambda by car speed any suggestion for the name? thank you.
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« Reply #248 on: October 11, 2015, 12:22:38 PM »

Hi
Im looking for map which is responsible for correct lambda by car speed any suggestion for the name? thank you.

Did you look in the FR?  What car/bin?
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« Reply #249 on: October 11, 2015, 12:26:07 PM »

Once again I feel like an idiot, but I take my chances as I want to be absolutely sure:

KFLDIMX together with KFLDIWL, LDIATA, KFLDIOPU output produce variable dimxr_w.
Output (irbgof_w) from the KFRBGOF is added to dimxr_w and the output variable will be dimxrk_w.
dimxrk_w is processed in LDDIMNN, LDDIMXN, capped by TVLDMX (unless > than dimxrk_w) and then becomes ldimx variable.

The PID controller calculates ldimx, ldimn, ldrkp, ldrki and ldrkd and produces ldtvr_w variable.
KFLDRL map modifies ldtvr_w based on the map contents and produces ldtv/_w variable which is the ultimate duty cycle for N75.

Is this even remotely correct?

Latter part is iirc (didn't look at the disassemly for a while) oddly in my Volvo bin a diff function converts it in-to a WORD (ldtv), first part depends on the ecu/car
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« Reply #250 on: October 12, 2015, 02:25:35 AM »

Did you look in the FR?  What car/bin?
FR? Audi TTS 270PS but i think name for this switch/map will be the same in others.
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« Reply #251 on: October 12, 2015, 05:44:44 AM »

There is an MED9 FR on here you should red it Smiley
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« Reply #252 on: October 15, 2015, 09:11:03 AM »

I´ve been recently holding back my settings, since my calculated EGTs have been extremely high.
The readings were suspiciously high (up to 1160°C taikr_w) and there was no real technical reason for them to be high in the first place.
The high readings prevented me from tuning the fuelling in the right way since KFLBTS was continuously activating due taikr_w limit being exceeded.

It is a known fact that the stock exhaust gas temperature model is accurate only with the stock hardware.
My car (A3 quattro with AXX engine) has following changes:

- F23T with experimental anti-surge billet compressor (pre mixed-flow)
- 3" DP with 200 cell cat + 3" non-resonated cat-back
- S3 FMIC
- S3 injectors & Autotech HPFP

The front lambda was recently replaced with a brand new Bosch unit, but it made no difference on the calculated temperatures.

To figure out the truth, I went a head and ordered a Omega made USB thermometer and a K-type EGT probe.
The probe was tapped into the downpipe flange chamber (post turbine).

After several warm-up runs to the limiter the result was already quite obvious.
The highest reading recorded by the thermometer logging software was 796°C.
It was recorded at 6900rpm with 0.97bar of boost and 0.77 lambda (KFLBTS "interference"). At the same point taikr_w was reading 1070°C without ever dropping below 1020°C after 5000rpm.

I knew it was going to be off, but not nearly by that much  Roll Eyes

If the EGT model would be even remotely correct with the changed hardware, the default KFLBTS activation limit (taikr) of 800°C doesn´t sound too bad Smiley
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« Reply #253 on: October 18, 2015, 03:44:21 AM »

To figure out the truth, I went a head and ordered a Omega made USB thermometer and a K-type EGT probe.
The probe was tapped into the downpipe flange chamber (post turbine).
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After several warm-up runs to the limiter the result was already quite obvious.
The highest reading recorded by the thermometer logging software was 796°C.
It was recorded at 6900rpm with 0.97bar of boost and 0.77 lambda (KFLBTS "interference"). At the same point taikr_w was reading 1070°C without ever dropping below 1020°C after 5000rpm.

I knew it was going to be off, but not nearly by that much  Roll Eyes

taikr is temp in exhaust manifold. It is widely accepted, that the delta between the temp in the exhaust manifold and post-turbine is around 150 degrees.

That means it is only off by approximately 100C.
I would not run higher temperatures post-turbine than 850C for extended periods of time if you want to maintain part longevity.

Measure your backpressure instead. Most likely either the turbine or the cat do not flow enough, causing excessive backpressure, knock and timing retard.
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« Reply #254 on: October 18, 2015, 06:47:02 AM »

So you´re saying the post turbine temperatures at stock should be well below 650°C?
Sounds quite optimistic when considering the default turbo, downpipe and exhaust restrictions.

Swapping S3 exhaust to the 3" non-resonated stainless exhaust dropped the back pressure even further.
Not that I have measured it, but the boost dropped quite a bit at the same WGDC.
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