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« on: August 10, 2014, 03:10:22 AM »

For Vas-PC - Why are their 2 types of file?

As a guess, SGO is full flash and FRF is partial?

I have the stock files:
MED17.5.5 - MED1755_03C906027AD_1037518220
DQ200 - HW: 0AM927769D - v069E5110AM___getriebe_DSG_tbE5

Would i be right in thinking that the attached is the relevant update files for stock?
MED17.5.5 - FL_03C906027AD_9971.frf
DQ200 - v069E5610AM___getriebe_DSG_tbE5_sw.sgo

Also, can someone point me in the right direction of converting the DSG .SGO to a .BIN
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The MED17 .FRF to a .ODX?

I understand that i will not be able to update with the .FRF file using VAS-PC until it has been converted to .ODX?

Thanks again, and sorry for not be very clear i'm just a little lost with this.

Thanks

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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2014, 08:10:24 AM »

this is an Ibiza FR file right ? the 9971 is almost the latest update (now it is 9972) , it is update only and VAS can write in OTP areas also.
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2014, 08:14:27 AM »

sorry forgot about the question.

frf and sgo are encrypted for VAS , I dont think they can be converted to bin. The best chance is to flash them via VAS and then read them via obd or tricore boot to get the BIN
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2014, 07:42:33 AM »

this is an Ibiza FR file right ? the 9971 is almost the latest update (now it is 9972) , it is update only and VAS can write in OTP areas also.

NO TOOL can write to OTP areas!!!! EVER!
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2014, 08:31:46 AM »

sgo can be converted to bin.
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2014, 09:06:52 PM »

i posted up the factory mk5 DSG launch control .sgo a couple years if u need it.  search its somewhere on here
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2014, 09:29:21 PM »

NO TOOL can write to OTP areas!!!! EVER!

Bullshit.

The first time they're easy to write.

It's the subsequent writes that aren't so easy.

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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2014, 08:26:00 PM »

TCStigersclaw yes it is the Ibiza FR :-) where can I get the 9972 file? Latest I could find was 9971. I successfully flashed the 9971 file with ODIS engineering as vas-pc does not support the protocol the ECU is running on.

Vas-pc did work ok for flashing the DSG though.

ddillenger that is very true :-) although I'm lead to believe that the cks are in the OTP areas? So if the map data changes in a update file how do they deal with the CKS, as the previous CKS in the OTP will now be incorrect?
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2014, 11:01:19 AM »

here is sgo file description, along with otp area for same ecu.

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Reading ECU data, please wait...
PROCESSOR TYPE: TC1796
IROM FLASH sector configuration:
Address   Size    Access
A0000000h   4000h   read and write
A0004000h   4000h   read and write
A0008000h   4000h   read and write
A000C000h   4000h   read and write
A0010000h   4000h   read only (OTP)
A0014000h   4000h   read only (OTP)
A0018000h   4000h   read and write
A001C000h   4000h   read and write
A0020000h   20000h   read and write
A0040000h   40000h   read and write
A0080000h   80000h   read and write
A0100000h   80000h   read and write
A0180000h   80000h   read and write
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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2014, 01:28:20 AM »

Thanks k0mpresd.
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2014, 12:19:02 PM »

sgo can be converted to bin.

No problem convert .FRF to bin also.
Just convert FRF to ODX (the same as XML-format file) and than extract BIN content (coded as BCB) from ODX.
As example below is ODX converted from frf-file given in topic start message.
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2014, 09:39:23 PM »

Just convert FRF to ODX (the same as XML-format file) and than extract BIN content (coded as BCB) from ODX.

Can you give more infos
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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2014, 05:51:24 PM »

For Vas-PC - Why are their 2 types of file?

As a guess, SGO is full flash and FRF is partial?


SGO files are for ECUs using KWP2000 protocol.
FRF, ODX and SOX files are for ECUs using UDS protocol.

In theory all types can be converted to bin, however many different methods of compression and encryption exist, so it can take some time and effort to do it.

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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2014, 03:14:17 AM »

coded as BCB

Is this the right method

http://timogruss.de/2014/01/bcd-in-dezimalwerte-umrechnen/#BCD_zu_Dezimal_umrechnen
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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2014, 06:29:53 AM »

BCB, not BCD Smiley BCB is a compressed format delevoped by Bosch
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