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« Reply #150 on: May 02, 2012, 06:03:16 PM »

Heres a quick log at idle showing typically what I have been seeing. 

I really wish I could find a way to get one sensor input to trim both banks.  I think that would really help.  Either that or somehow figure ou a way to get the two banks seperate again.  I really dont think the O2 sensors would last pre-turbo.  I remember when I was going try and have AMD tune the car, Jason suggested I put the O2 behind the turbo for this reason.
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« Reply #151 on: May 02, 2012, 06:26:11 PM »

That's what I was afraid of.  I only run one sensor in the downpipe after the turbo.  My LC-1 is giving the ecm two inputs, but its reading from the one sensor.  It just isn't making any snse why it would split the banks.  The narrowband voltages are
almost exact at all times on all logs taken.  The correction factors in the stft are also pretty close at all times also.    

I'm not sure this actually matters in the end.  What matters is the actual AFR, which as you have told us, you are already getting.
Two options I see here:
a)  needs a way to stitch together the wideband and logging data
b)  use the technique nyet is suggesting by figuring out where during a clean run you are going lean/rich w/e.

my elaboration on his suggestion:
1)  pick a gear:  3rd
2)  pick a minimum and maximum rpm.  start with 1500 to 5500.  i promise it won't be clean anyways so don't push it.
3)  pick a level of aggressiveness.  i'd recommend doing what you consider to be:  20 / 40 / 60 / 80 / 100
4)  take these 5 pulls and gather the time-series paths including the STFT-data.
5)  post the results here and we can help you modify the appropriate table.
6)  change the table and re-do the logging and see what changed with the variable in question:  STFT.

get it?  we have to trace the shit out of the problem and figure out how to extrapolate a fix.



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« Reply #152 on: May 02, 2012, 06:42:29 PM »

Recap so I am sure:

5 third gear pulls from 1500 to 5000rpms.

Vary throttle input/aggressiveness from run to run.

Log with ECUX ? 
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« Reply #153 on: May 02, 2012, 06:49:48 PM »

you dont want wot pulls for adjusting stfts

you are working on a steady state (fixed rpm/load)
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« Reply #154 on: May 02, 2012, 07:28:31 PM »

you dont want wot pulls for adjusting stfts

you are working on a steady state (fixed rpm/load)

what calibration procedure do you recommend - in this case?
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« Reply #155 on: May 02, 2012, 07:55:41 PM »

I got a little distracted today:
 
 
 
 

Tomorrow I am going in to get some more aluminum welding done. 
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« Reply #156 on: May 02, 2012, 08:09:36 PM »

I will flash my fkkvs and klfhfm back to all 1.00 and try and get some steady state logs and some gradual varying aggressiveness logs.
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« Reply #157 on: May 02, 2012, 10:27:29 PM »

I feel like such a dumb ass.  I was interpreting the O2 voltages ass backwards.  .1 is 14.7 and 1.0 is stupid rich.   Undecided  

It's bedtime now, but in the a.m. I have a lot of logs to review.

EDIT To ADD:  was wrong yet again

According to the mfg, these are standard values for "most" stock narrow band sensors:

Voltage   AF            Lambda
0.0-0.1   17.0:1      1.16
0.1-0.2   16.0:1      1.09
0.2-0.3   15.5:1      1.05
0.3-0.4   15.0:1      1.02
0.4-0.5   14.7:1      1
0.5-0.7   14.6:1      0.99
0.6-0.7   14.5:1      0.99
0.7-0.8   14.2:1      0.97
0.8-0.9   13.2:1      0.9
0.9-1.0   12.5:1      0.85



 
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« Reply #158 on: May 03, 2012, 06:18:28 AM »

I was just trying to see if I can even hold a steady load under normal driving conditions.  Looking at the ECUX log, I cant see a way to track STFT.  I will have to get three groups lined up to log via VCDS.  I am thinking block 033 STFT, block 032 LTFT and I need one that shows rpm and load.

 
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« Reply #159 on: May 03, 2012, 09:33:34 AM »

dude you need to move to ME7L...
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« Reply #160 on: May 03, 2012, 09:44:00 AM »

Explain?
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« Reply #161 on: May 03, 2012, 09:48:52 AM »

dude you need to move to ME7L...

no for logging STFTs he's better off with VCDS.

he doesn't even need to log.

just hit a rpm/load point and glance at it.
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« Reply #162 on: May 03, 2012, 09:54:08 AM »

Oh, the me7 logger. 
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« Reply #163 on: May 03, 2012, 10:00:13 AM »

yes, regardless you should ditch ecux or you will never figure out your wastegate issues.

the problem is, since you are running an external wastegate, you're going to have to either learn to program a PID, or just run open loop wg control.
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« Reply #164 on: May 03, 2012, 10:02:07 AM »

i think he should run the me7 tables totally open and get a legit variable boost controller like those diesel turbo tuning companies sell...

the other option, and nyet probably understand this well:  he needs to change the Integration variable in the PID to reflect the "expected psi versus engine rpm."  in other words you need to make a model of your expected PSI path and then vector multiply that path times the RPM-related airflow of our engine...   otherwise you'll never have the correct target for the PID to swing off...
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