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« Reply #180 on: May 03, 2012, 10:27:29 PM »

At low rpms the PID should be sending 95% already to the INPUT of that table.

Yes.

Look, before you do ANYTHING to that table, do you understand what the two inputs to that table are?

One is RPM. The other... what do you think it is?


Duty cycle?
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« Reply #181 on: May 04, 2012, 06:51:47 AM »

I flashed my last file with the fully linear.   I 100% agree, almost everything I thought I knew about the PID was wrong.  Well in my application because thats all I can really speak on.  Right now I am reading through this thread:

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=517.0

I cant seem to find information on this

"What I did:

set CWMDAPP = 8

set all cells in KFLDRAPP = 0"

Why? What do those changes do?  I cant even find CWMDAPP.



Also, I played with the KFKHFM.  Right now I can only fine tune the 30-60% between 2000 and 3500rpm range.  I try and log the car on the freeway around my usual cruise speeds.  With the 1.8t 5speed I am around 3k @60mph.  The LTFT was showing that the car was pulling around 8%-10%.  STFT were all over the place.  

I did some subtractions in the above indicated ranges and it seems to have helped.  My LTFT was 0.....I am really skeptical about that reading though.  The whole trip the car didnt start misfiring on accel like it would when the trims were acting up.  It was smooth the whole time.  Also, to note my slew of DTC's didnt show up this morning either. HMMMM.  
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« Reply #182 on: May 04, 2012, 08:13:41 AM »

I am starting to think my issue is the fact that both banks arent read seperately.  I keep looking through my logs and I see the banks trimming back and forth.  From the pattern I see, it appears one bank enriches, and the other bank leans out.  Sinec they both are getting their readings from the same sensor in the same spot, if one enriches, the richer mixture is also read by the input to the other bank and it leans out. Vice versa.  I have seen this battle go on until one bank is sometime +25% and the other -25%.


 I think my problems are because the enrich and lean out is bank specific, but where its reading from is reading the cummulative AFR. I either need to get my STFT dead on somehow, or figure out a way tell the ecm that its only reading from one sensor. I dont know If I am explaining my thoughts well.

Log from this morning.  Fifth gear, highway speeds.  I made a column that averaged the trims, and highlighted the load and rpm areas that *should*? need the correction.

  
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« Reply #183 on: May 05, 2012, 01:40:29 PM »

You just need to get fuel and in turn stft spot on and not run LTFTs, that is what I have settled on.
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« Reply #184 on: May 05, 2012, 02:33:28 PM »

I agree 100%.  What side affects are there not running LTFT?  how do you turn it off, other than in VCDS?
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« Reply #185 on: May 05, 2012, 03:50:16 PM »

BTW look through this file, it should have some stuff to.help you.
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« Reply #186 on: May 05, 2012, 04:28:31 PM »

I agree 100%.  What side affects are there not running LTFT?  how do you turn it off, other than in VCDS?

unplug your evap
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« Reply #187 on: May 05, 2012, 04:51:03 PM »

How do you totally code out evap so I don't get codes?
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« Reply #188 on: May 09, 2012, 11:23:45 AM »

Current state of tune.  Right now I am dialing in the STFT.  Boost comes on pretty good, still not sure of how to get the N75 to open the VGT open all the way to slow boost.  I actually need to see it in action to confirm.  Boost climbs really fast and does not stop.  I am still trying to figure out the PID.

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« Reply #189 on: May 09, 2012, 12:28:59 PM »

Try a pid duty cycle up top of something real low, like 10 or even 5
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« Reply #190 on: May 09, 2012, 12:36:06 PM »

what maps are you using for you STFT tuning?  whats your techinque for tuning?  please elaborate...
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« Reply #191 on: May 09, 2012, 12:37:19 PM »

Starting around the 4500rpm range?
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« Reply #192 on: May 09, 2012, 12:47:20 PM »

I am using the KFKHFM map to dial in my STFT.

I have been doing several pulls from a low rpm up to about 5500 rpms in several gears, trying to keep the load increasing as steadily as possible.  I also been doing constant rpm/load logs to help me dial it in for my daily commute.  I then take the readings for both banks in block 33, average them together and try to decipher them.  I look for areas that are rich or lean that spreads across a consistent stretch of rpm/load.  I then kind of tweak the highest out of spec cell, and slightly tweak a few surrounding cells to smooth it out.  "rinse and repeat".. Wink

Am I on the right track?  Better way of doing it?  I did it this way when the car was stroker 4cyl with Maestro.  One thing I really miss about Maestro is the historgram.  It was really easy to dial in the fuel since it actually laid your log out over your map, and you can actually see how far off your map was versus how it was running. without having to look at a seperate log and try and trace the load/rpm/STFT.   
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« Reply #193 on: May 09, 2012, 01:43:11 PM »

nah nah, sounds legit.   i'm trying to develop a matlab routine to automatically parse pulls and derive corrections from such information.  have you tangibly seen your STFT's go down?  can you show some examples?
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« Reply #194 on: May 09, 2012, 02:12:54 PM »

Yes the trims have gone down.  I can definately tell the difference in how the car runs.  At idle with the fueling getting dialed in, I have been able to lower the idle speed from ~940rpms back down to a stable 800rpms with minimal misfirin on the Deka 630cc injectors.  

Hard part for me is identifying what is happenning.  I try to do slow gradual pulls to a certain RPM becasue I have noticed that the STFT sometimes dont keep up if I accel to fast.  Usually they will show up as a ~ +10% add on the STFT.  I have to weed all that stuff out, or I will end up chasing my tail.

Also I have to remember to let off the gas completely when I need to decel while logging.  Otherwise the trims have been a bit off and show as a negative.  When I let off the gas all the way it shows up in the logs and sticks out.  

I will have to dig through my logs to show you about where I started, and where I am now STFT wise.  Right now I am dialing in areas that are about 7-9% out, I started with areas that where ~20% out. I am only getting the areas up to about 120 load done right now.  I dont really want to mess with the fueling much past that until I get the boost settled and can make a safe 23-24psi pull farther than 5500rpms.  If I am not careful I can easily peg the boost gage.  It happened last nite, and horrified the crap outta me when I saw the timing pull from that log.  I have since dialed the timing way down in the high load areas to help save my motor just in case.

The Log from last night:  
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