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« Reply #210 on: October 02, 2013, 12:47:23 AM »

Multiply if anything. The more pressure, the longer the injector opens since it has to work against more pressure.
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probably i must multiply for my offset  1.1852  Smiley so

v   3bar   4bar
7,9552   1,7408   2,06319616
9,9968   1,1392   1,35017984
11,968   0,8096   0,95953792
14,0096   0,5984   0,70922368
15,9808   0,4416   0,52338432

but what mean

Yes - That math looks correct.  However, after a while of adjusting LTFT's, I ended up with:
3.12   1.35   0.99   0.75   0.63


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« Reply #211 on: October 02, 2013, 06:28:26 AM »

Forgot to mention that this particular sheet is probably all off, use this one for 52lb:

http://www.boschdealer.com/specsheets/550cc.pdf



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« Reply #212 on: October 02, 2013, 11:36:15 AM »

Forgot to mention that this particular sheet is probably all off, use this one for 52lb:

http://www.boschdealer.com/specsheets/550cc.pdf





I've been using the 60 psi values multiplied by 1.02 across the board, changed the axis to reflect [8,10,12,14,16].
The two warmup maps are multiplier by 1.10.  Idle torque multiplied 1.25 for both clutch-in & clutch-out maps.
No real misfires for me anymore.  Cold start still needs refinement.
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« Reply #213 on: October 03, 2013, 02:13:24 AM »

I've been using the 60 psi values multiplied by 1.02 across the board, changed the axis to reflect [8,10,12,14,16].
The two warmup maps are multiplier by 1.10.  Idle torque multiplied 1.25 for both clutch-in & clutch-out maps.
No real misfires for me anymore.  Cold start still needs refinement.

why 1.02? why you don't use fnpw_offcomp 1.1638 ?

the multiplier that results from the calculations (1.1852) seems too high and I'm not sure it is correct.
 
I found this pdf http://www.bosch-motorsport.de/pdf/components/injection_valves/injection_valves_en.pdf

also the values of tuvb ​​that would be out from http://www.boschdealer.com/specsheets/0280158117cs.jpg fnpw_offset seem too high.

in my original tvub  I can read for about  8v 1.7408 and not 2.184
for about 10v  my value is 1.1392 and not 1.1435
and so on ..
Am I taking as a reference the wrong document?
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« Reply #214 on: October 03, 2013, 06:18:43 AM »

why 1.02? why you don't use fnpw_offcomp 1.1638 ?

the multiplier that results from the calculations (1.1852) seems too high and I'm not sure it is correct.
 
I found this pdf http://www.bosch-motorsport.de/pdf/components/injection_valves/injection_valves_en.pdf

also the values of tuvb ​​that would be out from http://www.boschdealer.com/specsheets/0280158117cs.jpg fnpw_offset seem too high.

in my original tvub  I can read for about  8v 1.7408 and not 2.184
for about 10v  my value is 1.1392 and not 1.1435
and so on ..
Am I taking as a reference the wrong document?


Look at what I posted in my previous post. Stop using the sheet you're referencing (it is totally wrong). The new one, from the same site, works, and doesn't require you to do any crazy calculations.
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« Reply #215 on: October 03, 2013, 08:12:25 AM »

Look at what I posted in my previous post. Stop using the sheet you're referencing (it is totally wrong). The new one, from the same site, works, and doesn't require you to do any crazy calculations.

thank you very much for your help
but I did not understand how to use this spreadsheet.
 my flow is equivalent to approximately 455cc (original flow is 386cc @ 3bar) your pdf talks with 550cc injectors


 Could I have solved the problem  copying in tvub  the first pdf line?

thanks
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« Reply #216 on: October 03, 2013, 10:59:55 AM »

thank you very much for your help
but I did not understand how to use this spreadsheet.
 my flow is equivalent to approximately 455cc (original flow is 386cc @ 3bar) your pdf talks with 550cc injectors


 Could I have solved the problem  copying in tvub  the first pdf line?

thanks
Daniele

I had to go back to your original thread. I assumed you're asking about ev14 injector, you know, the ones this thread is about...

You can only approximate the TVUB by intelligently looking at other injectors and their TVUB differences between different pressures. Once you figure out what multiplier to use, try it and see where it gets you.

For example, Ev14 550cc / 52lb injectors when going from 43.5 (3bar) to ~58 (4bar) gain this much TVUB:

8V     2.7 ---> ~3.2     --  x1.185
10V   1.54 --> 1.61     --  x1.05
12V   1.12 --> 1.155   --   x1.03
14V   0.73 --> 0.75    --   x1.03
16V   0.523 --> 0.540  --  x1.03


If you look at other injectors, siemens for example, this will be different. You cannot accurately determine this, just approximate if you have data for different injectors. Getting data for similar tech injectors would work the best as the data would be the most relevant.
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« Reply #217 on: October 04, 2013, 01:14:30 AM »

thank you very much for your support!

i can't find sheet for my injector yet.

my injetor code probably is:
OE Part #: 06A906031J
Mfg Part #: 0280155892

here (http://www.bosch-motorsport.de/content/language2/html/2659.htm) i can find some information but nothing tvub data Sad

this injector has similar code http://www.boschdealer.com/specsheets/0280155868cs.jpg
do you think i can use this data?

thanks! 
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« Reply #218 on: November 09, 2013, 09:10:12 AM »

I've been using the 60 psi values multiplied by 1.02 across the board, changed the axis to reflect [8,10,12,14,16].
The two warmup maps are multiplier by 1.10.  Idle torque multiplied 1.25 for both clutch-in & clutch-out maps.
No real misfires for me anymore.  Cold start still needs refinement.

I have read through this entire thread, and am looking for a consensus on starting values for standard EV14 550's (117 Suffix). So to summarize:

Using the tech data posted on the first page for latency, and then extrapolating with a simple curve fit I arrive at the following values:

KRKTE:  0.05495

Voltage        mS
7.04       -  4.36
10.06     -  1.64
12.03     -  1.158
14.08     -  0.751
17.88     -  0.40

And you're saying that KFFWL_0_A and KFFWL_1_A can  be increased 10% across the full map.

Opinions on whether this summary/these values appear correct?

I've had a slight hesitation ever since installing my 550's a while ago and felt it was time to return to my tune and really dial these guys in.  The car has always driven just fine, but tends to have a slight hesitation during initial cold start, and sometimes very light cruise.  I have returned the intake system to factory so that I can isolate the injectors as the sole variable from factory fuel settings.
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« Reply #219 on: November 10, 2013, 10:38:09 AM »

Those settings worked great.  I wound up tweaking it just a tad, but trims are fairly well dialed in though.  I did find that cold compensation needs to be reduced slightly, reads -13% at idle an d cruise.  Once fully warmed it's back to normal.  Otherwise it's great.
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« Reply #220 on: November 11, 2013, 06:23:45 AM »

Also to clarify, I meant that I left cold compensations stock, and yet they now still appear to require reduction.  My original post mentioned increasing them 10% across the board, so I wanted to clarify that the need for reduction was seen without having made this increase.  Taking a look at Berttos' posted BIN file it appears that he did the same reduction.  Cold compensation is annoying as you only have a small window with which to get the data.  Then you have to wait basically a full day to see if any change you made works.
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« Reply #221 on: January 20, 2014, 11:31:57 AM »

Hey all,
Some great info in this thread.  I'm just curious why KFFWL_0_A and KFFWL_1_A need to be touched.  Wouldn't warmup perform just as stock if KRKTE and TVUB were dialed in correctly?  Am i missing something?
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« Reply #222 on: January 28, 2014, 03:40:42 PM »

Can someone advise correct way to tune KFBAKL and KFVAKL?
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« Reply #223 on: February 10, 2014, 10:53:18 PM »

Can someone advise correct way to tune KFBAKL and KFVAKL?

KFBAKL gives acceleration enrichment,more the KFBAKL more is the enrichment
KFVAKL gives deceleration enleanment, more the KFVAKL more is the enleanment
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« Reply #224 on: February 12, 2014, 02:01:09 PM »

KFBAKL gives acceleration enrichment,more the KFBAKL more is the enrichment
KFVAKL gives deceleration enleanment, more the KFVAKL more is the enleanment


Yes, thats also said in FR. But what are values that should be look at when adjust these and what are good reference values? Original injectors with original settings or something else?
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