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« Reply #2055 on: January 30, 2023, 06:47:21 AM »

If someone wants - this is my project with 1.3 bar.
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« Reply #2056 on: February 01, 2023, 02:56:52 PM »

To anyone more familiar with speed density vs MAF, what would you categorize Denso volvos as? It has both a MAF and MAP, I guess it's the same for Bosch ECUs as well.

I am asking because thanks to rkam I managed to label a lot of variables, but none for instance described the so called Injection Quantities of fuel. And from my limited understanding, it really depends which type of system the ECU uses and thus the tables.
For instance most tuning guides talk about milligrams per stroke, but do I necessarily have such tables?

So far I see SparkAdvanceBase, which means this is the starting point of the Ignition Advance from which all compensations will be substracted. Raising this should up my high end power, yes?
But then, more fuel = more power(to a limit as it's a NA engine). So I need to up the fuel, although I am still searching for the maps and generally labeling functions related to sensor normalization, clamping etc.

And as always rkam was correct once more.

The parameter list is hard coded as a table inside the maps at address ROM:0006B9B8, this is in the BIFUEL LPG model ROM and maps I uploaded earlier.

The address is located after the parameter, so for 0x1005 param, the address in the other table is 0xC, this is multiplied by 12 to get the offset.

ROM:0006BA48                 .long 0x20000, 0x31CD54, 0

What 0x20000 means is yet unknown. 2 byte response

I am attaching the idb in it's current state with ROM,FLASH stitched together with RAM names filled in as well as some other locations I have inferred from whatever was happening. Note, some variable/function names could be very wrong, as it is said in the crypto world, trust, but verify.
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« Reply #2057 on: February 02, 2023, 02:14:02 AM »

Most likely it has a MAF and a Boost sensor pre-throttle body. This is not the same as a MAP sensor.
If it indeed has a pressure sensor in the manifold, then idk.

No Bosch ECU has both a MAP and a MAF. They either have a MAP and a boost sensor or a MAF and a boost sensor (if SY_TURBO=1)
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« Reply #2058 on: February 02, 2023, 05:35:59 AM »

Thanks, I did some digging, what I have is indeed a pressure sensor, but for elevation adaptation.
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« Reply #2059 on: February 02, 2023, 06:13:22 AM »

02 means 2 byte (16 bit response)
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« Reply #2060 on: February 02, 2023, 06:38:35 AM »

But then, more fuel = more power(to a limit as it's a NA engine). So I need to up the fuel.

Not necessarily.
Too much fuel and you actually loose power.
Numbers given on picture are just example. May differ a bit between engines but general rule is the same.
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« Reply #2061 on: February 02, 2023, 06:56:39 AM »

Thanks. Is there a way to incorporate cylinder compression to estimate power? Since a naturally aspirated engine has a fixed compression rather than variable due to turbo.

Usually for my engine it is 200-210 psi per cylinder, BUT I actually have lower compression in cylinders 1,2,3, it's closer to 160-170 psi(permanent damage), and thus it is producing slightly less power than with ideal conditions.

@rkam, thanks once more.
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« Reply #2062 on: February 02, 2023, 07:15:09 AM »

Thanks. Is there a way to incorporate cylinder compression to estimate power? Since a naturally aspirated engine has a fixed compression rather than variable due to turbo.
This statement has nothing to do with the truth or reality.

The dynamic compression depends on a large number of factors in both engines. The only thing a turbocharger affects is the intake pressure and exhaust backpressure, nothing else.
All the other factors remain. Dynamic compression is a function of compression ratio and volumetric efficiency. Volumetric efficiency is affected by IAT, intake pressure, exhaust backpressure, and can be greatly variable if the engine has variable cam timing and/or lift.

The only thing that is static is the compression ratio, and it tells you absolutely nothing about power.

Torque (and power, which is just torque x rpm) on an otto engine is generally computed from air consumed by the engine and corrected by ignition angle efficiency, and then the inner engine friction torque is subtracted, which generally gets taken from a RPM x temperature map, and corrected by the variable oil pressure, if such pressure switching is present.
If you have in-cylinder pressure transducers then probably it is possible to calculate the inner torque produced by the engine from that (but you still need to correct it by the friction torque), however it is much easier just to measure the air consumed and the ignition angle efficiency.
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« Reply #2063 on: February 02, 2023, 02:28:35 PM »

Thanks prj, that is very insightful!.
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« Reply #2064 on: February 04, 2023, 09:20:55 PM »

GMHJ map pack...  Wink
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« Reply #2065 on: February 05, 2023, 06:34:04 AM »

On the topic of map packs, I wrote a tool to search for maps in my flash. Because there are several hundred, manually adding them is cumbersome. Is there some file format I can export them to, such as xml perhaps?

The idea is to import them in WinOLS.
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« Reply #2066 on: February 05, 2023, 07:08:28 AM »

CSV works for WinOLS.

Attached is an example from here:
https://tools.vehical.net/s18boost

Another thing you can do is take an A2L or DAM file if you have, write a parser for it and adjust the offsets in it (and delete those that you can't find).
Then import this using the A2L import plugin.
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« Reply #2067 on: February 05, 2023, 08:18:43 AM »

I have an over-fuelling issue. I am targeting full throttle lambda with LAMFA, expecting KFLBTS + KFFDLBTS * KFDLBTS to take over if things get too hot (TABGBTS is still stock). However, I don’t get how this results in a requested lambda (lamsons) of 0.7 at 6600. Please find attached the log and (component protection) fuelling tables.

https://datazap.me/u/m1ke/5-febr-ii?log=0&data=2-19-21-22-34&zoom=929-1035

Btw, how safe is a calculated EGT of 870 degrees for a stage 1 car B5244T5?

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« Reply #2068 on: February 05, 2023, 08:57:07 AM »

I usually don’t let cars go higher than tabgbts of 900 for a car that’s in shimmed. If you are seeing 0.70 lambda and can’t find out why check your cwtatr this is your code word for catalyst over temp protection. 04 is active. The closer to 00 you make it this numbs the enrichment effect
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« Reply #2069 on: February 05, 2023, 03:45:11 PM »

On the topic of map packs, I wrote a tool to search for maps in my flash. Because there are several hundred, manually adding them is cumbersome. Is there some file format I can export them to, such as xml perhaps?

The idea is to import them in WinOLS.

any chance it would work with me7 or is it strictly denso?
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