NefMoto

Hi all,

I've recently been working on my Volvo S60 T5 with ME7, and as the software layout is "quite similar" to the VAG ME7, it was straight forward to locate and adjust the basic maps for more performance (i.e. fuel, ignition, limiters, boost paramters). The car has now elevated boost from approx. 0.8 bar to 1.4 bar but I'm running out of fuel (both due to injector size and fuel pump capacity). As I'm switching injectors now I have trouble locating the proper settings in the software and I'm seeing the need for a definition file to take this project further (with new turbo, new fuel pump, new injectors, new IC, new clutch).

Understanding that this is basically a VAG dominated forum  ;) I thought it was worth a shot just asking if anyone has a DAMOS for Volvo ME7 (29F800 chip, i.e. 1.024 kB size).

Any input is appreciated,


Best Regards
Fredrik

What tool are you using to flash? I tried connecting to my coworkers S60R with Tony's nefmoto flashing tool and could not connect.

Thanks!

To be honest I don't use any tool to flash actually as I have not yet gotten my hands on any stable flash tool that works properly in 100% of the cases. As a result, I've gone the "old school way" of de-soldering the stock IC, read it using a Batronix programmer (BX40 Bagero... Costs about $250US) and then used an AM29F800BB chip that can be programmed an "unlimited ammonut of times" using the same Batronix gear. As this is sort of a project still in progress, I've soldered a chip socket in the ECU that allows me to just "snap" the chip into place with no need for soldering, making re-programming fairly easy. Taking the ECU out of the car, opening it up, removing the AM29F800BB, erasing it, programming it with a new file, putting it back in the socket and then putting the ECU back in the car takes about 5 minutes at the most so it's really no big deal so I'm in no hurry to find a flashing tool although it would be comfortable I guess...
Once the updated software is completed I'll probably solder the chip back into the ECU again.

Fredrik, I would be interested to see a dump of an S60 orig file, can you provide one.
Will be easier than searching the internet for Volvo images  ;).

Sure, here it is. Keep in mind that Volvo (for some strange reason) sets the same HW and SW identifier in basically all their files regardless what the files actually are. Regardless what the file is, they most often state HW 0261204559 and SW 359462 in the files which can be very confusing.

I've come across basically two different architectures (one quite similar to VAG layout and one... Well... Let's say that it's not as easily navigated) of the Volvo ME7 files. The one posted here is from my car and represents the "easily navigated" architecture. Just by the visual apperance of the file you can easily find the most common areas needed for tuning when you know your way around a VAG ME7 file.

Thanks for the dump and the hints about versions and layout. I was more interested to
look for the K-line communication functions in this image than locating the maps for tuning.
I could find the same communication functions as used in VAG ecu's. Fastinit and slowinit
with address 0x11 should be possible for KWP2000, but as expected KWP1281 is not supported.

Yes it is. In the current SW package that comes with a standard KWP2000 interface there is no support for this ECU (if I remember things correctly), but for the updated MPPS-flasher there is support for Volvo Me7. http://www.amtcartech.com
Come to think of it, I think that they also released a separate ME7 software package for the old KWP2000 actually. I'll do some digging...

I've also upped the stakes somewhat in the project as new rods as well as new cams are finding their way into the engine bay. This presents me with a few challanges where one of them will be boost levels above 1.5 bar. One of my problems so far is that the current setup of stock turbo and stock cams give a horrible back pressure. Once that is taken care of by new cams and a larger turbine housing more boost will be realistic... But as I'm running about 1.4 bars now we are getting very close to the limit of the 250kPa MAP-sensor. I need to find a decent way around this and perhaps a stand-alone boost controller is the only practical way. I managed to locate the map that controlls the allowed boost deviation (target vs actual) and just to make sure it was the right one I re-calibrated it to allow only 0.1 bars of deviation and sure thing... After a short testdrive the fault code for "boost deviation" flashed so it was obviously the right one. In theory perhaps I could FF this entire table to run a separate boost controller... Time will tell...

It's not the ideal way to have a separate boost control unit, but what can you do if you don't want to re-calculate all possible functions in the ECU by changing to a 300kPa sensor or something like this.


The fun continues but as previsously mentioned... A proper damos would be helpful.  ;D

Has anyone found anything of interest on the Volvo ME7 damos subject? :-)

The engine is now fitted with new turbo, new rods, new cams, new fuel pump, new fuel injectors and new intercooler. The engine starts up and works quite well after having adjusted the MAF-scaling and a few other things. Back pressure has dramatically gone down on full load from 130% to 80% (relative MAP) so the cam switch wasn't a complete waste. Only penalty is that boost enters about 200 rpm's later compared to stock cams.

The issues so far...


The stock ME7 software combined with the stock cams will never enable fuel injectors before the intake valve is open, no point in squirting fuel on closed valves with no airflow. After having switched the cams, the valves do open earlier and also closes later and as a result... The engine will start to consume air with no fuel added to it for a short period of time creating what I would suspect being a non ideal mixture. This needs to be adressed but I can't seem to find the proper settings for this timing so... If anyone stumbles over a Volvo ME7 Damos... Please let me know :-)

Nobody has info on the volvo ME7 maps?

Come on guys... hit us with it for the greater good :)

read your bin and start searching......me7 is me7...you just gotta know what you need to find..

i have tuned 996T's without damos and just searching maps from knowing the 1.8t VW's and having an idea of whta im looking for.

I have no further information, but my car is working properly as is right now. There are of course a few details that needs to be adressed (at least in theory) but for day-2-day driving it works perfectly.

As mentioned above, the layout of the Volvo ME7 comes in two basic versions and one of them is very similar to the VAG ones so if you know your way around VAG you can quite easily make decent adjustments for your basic Stage 1-2-3 tunes. Of course, finding the functions for rear lambda disable etc. (that might come in handy if using a cat with lower efficiency than stock) might still be a challange.

The other layout used by Volvo is a bit trickier to navigate if you are used to VAG...

Ok, a friendly source hooked me up with a semi-suitable set of documentation for my ECU and voila, the last functions I needed to adjust are completed and the car has just hit the dyno.

In stock condition Volvo claims 250hp/330Nm for this engine type. Whether this is minimum, average or maximum is hard to tell, and how (what standard) the performance is/was measured is also something I have no clue about. Never the less...

As the dyno is not free rolling you can set if you want to measure at a fixed rpm or in an interval, and the duration of the interval can be set as well. I choose (for a number of reasons actually) to run 2krpm to 7krpm in 15 seconds and results are as follows:

Maximum boost 1.52 bar
Maximum back pressure in turbine housing 1.27 bar
Maximum EGT 872°C (during hard driving on the road it get's a bit higher than this though)
Maximum temperature after intercooler 51°C (cooling in the dyno is not as efficient as on the road with a headwind of 100 mph)
Maximum power 387 hp (6110 rpm)
Maximum torque 579 Nm (2715 rpm)

As there is room for more power (EGT OK, back pressure OK, MAT OK etc.) next step is to figure out this 1.55 bar boost pressure level thing.

Any chance you can share you ME7 mapping info?  There is a free flash suite in progres

winols is best for map searching.
if youd download the demo from evc you can go through it and the help menu guides you through map finding :-)
I'm not very good at it myself, but i have found a few and fixed others.

I can't share the documentation as it is not mine to share, but I'd be happy to answer any specific questions about my calibration changes so just fire away.

Hi all,

Just got back from my holidays. I got some info as well.

@ Fredrik_a: Would you mind posting your ori and tuned file (or email it to me t5suite@home.nl). I will not share your work but use it for reference / research only of course.

I can find the most important maps in ME7 files in the meantime (ignition, requested load, boost control, lambda, enrichment etc). Not everything, but i'm still working on it.

Nice result on the dyno btw!!!

/G

I'll try so summarize all changes done to the stock software and send it to you when I'm back from my current business trip.
In general, ME7 is ME7 so if you have a good idea of how the VAG ME7 version work (read a  Funktionsrahmen carefully) you will be able to figure out very well how most things are set up for Volvo as well. For a "stage 1" tune there are basically just a few things needed to be done, but working with Volvos there is another challenge (at least it was for me) as there is no VCDS or equivalent software available for Volvo, i.e. logging becomes difficult outside the general parameters available through standard OBD comms where the resolution and number of parameters are really limited.

The logging is of course available using Volvos own software VIDA, but that software including the proper hardware comes at a price (even though you buy a chinese clone) so this will most likely present a challenge for anyone wanting to tune properly beyond the basic stages I guess.

Good luck with the Volvo ME7 work and I'll be glad to help where I can.

Hi .
I am new here. Ithink i have the same engine in my car its xxxxxxt3. 184kW/250HP. Its 2001 V70 t5. Can you plz tell me what are the spec. of material you used i mean which turbo, what fuel injectors, ect. Also  if you can tell me which cable should i use to flash the ECU. I have Elm 327 at home, i just ordered Galleto. Do i need KWP2000 also or is any of these two ok?
thx for help.

LP

Borut

Hi folks,
I'm the new guy here :)

Straight to the topic,
I've got 03 S60R with all forged engine, EFR 7670 a/r0.83 and some other goodies.

I'm not aiming to self tune the engine, I've got a deal at Rica in Nederland but the problem will be getting there.

As obvious, the targeted power is just under 500kW. To keep with the desired power, I'll need to get around the MAP and MAF sensor's limitations and find a way to calibrate new ones in.
Do you have a suggestion on some of available sensors and the way of calibrating the new raw data to the ECM.

I've got the VIDA/DICE tool and am willing to invest further to get the appropriate equipment for the job. Oh, and I've got the iSoftloader as well.

If someone has a suggestion on which tuner would be more apropriate for the job, feel free to say it.

Many thanks!
S

I don't remember if the S60R has 83 or 85 mm bore? Have you done anything to the cylinder liners if you run 85 mm? I'm not sure that the liners will appreciate you pushing almost 700 hp's with them
as 85 mm bore volvo engines tend to crack in the liners (letting coolant into the combustion chamber) but this is perhaps something you have already concidered?

Hi,
I've got the block re sleeved with Darton MID sleves. The bore is 83mm. It could have been re bored to 83,5mm but I didn't wanted to hassle with that. That should keep up with targeted power with out problems.

Please share the ME7 data ! :D

im not sure that there is a specific volvo damos out there, especially for the R model's. so there was quite a bit of a learning curve, have you read through the documentation, and been able to download a copy of your tune, i am willing to help you tune your OWN car, but you must understand the basics

No problem, I'm looking for a suitable read method without lifting chips, will post back :)

What is annoying is the lack of a port flasher.

But Stage 1 tune on a S60R/V70R is REALLY easy, because they are calibrated very well from factory, and all you essentially have to do is bump LDRXN, KFZW/KFZW2 and sometimes KFLDHBN as well as adjust the fueling.

I think the hardest part was getting the ECU out, that was annoying.

Did you benchflash?  Once I get my head around the ecu I will be coding a obd2 flasher for Volvo ME7

I already have the info needed for my 05 s60r...

No. I did it the old school way.
Hot air and a chip programmer ;)

It was a lot quicker than searching for pinouts and connecting pins on the ECU connector.

i have to say mpps has been pretty painless for me, and you are correct for a good stage 1 prj, it was quite easy in the end, had to play with some boost pid values to smooth everything out, but other then that the basic's

as far as an obd2 flasher, volvo SDA works, but for some reason it keeps timing out on me after erasing, so i have to re-load the ecu through bootmode, i have not tried since then though as i dont really have a huge need?, volvo ecu removal tool and bench flash is fast enough

MPPS only does them in boot mode ...

If I need to tune one properly I'll just put my emulator in.

I take it you were uploading the SBL first with SDA????

I have access to my SBL it's just I'd like to clone a spare ECU to play with rather than risking mine.

immo aside, what do you use to bench flash the Volvo ME7?  I need to buy something just don't want it to be the wrong thing!!

Cheers :)

a while back a VBF creator tool was shared with me, and it seems to load in, and go through all of the steps a regular volvo software flash does, but im going to have to take some logs if i get around to it to see what the error was to why it would not write after erasing

as for a bench flasher i took an old ECU box from a junkyard and made a setup out of that using MPPS, i have not had a problem with it using bootmode.

as far as cloning, argdub's tool will not work on p2R's Immo, i had to clone mine the oldschool method of desoldering reading and soldering.

for flashing these chips im using a gq-4x

and prj, the emulator is the best way, but i have still been trying to wrap my head around coding the ECU into a test mode, and due to the fact that i cannot figure that out yet, i have not made the plunge.

Which version of MPPS works with Volvo ME7?

Thanks for sharing.

With SDA you need to send PBL VBF first then a BIN VBF.

I have all of the CAN ID's required to flash if anyone want's to code something.

Reading is only possible sector by sector as far as I know so bench reading your original map is required.  I have the commands for that as well.  I also can get the SBL for my 2005 S60R with a bit of work.

i'm using v12, makes sense with vbf lol, never really tried it much, i do not have a SBL

Ordered a cable, ECU's and other bits should be with me in a few weeks to start experimenting!

I'm planning to make a harness out of an old ME7 ecu box and start from there :)

Anybody get anywhere with this?

I have managed to create what appears to be a fairly stable bench flashing system. I have been writing, reading, verifying to check how reliable it is and have not had a problem for the last 20 or so attempts since my first connection with Minimon, which was probably more down to my retarded use of it! Still prooved to me it worked somewhat though!

The bench flasher is made of a harness lifted from a scrapper and wired up according to Autodata and what I have found online. I am using an MPPS 3.0.2.37 which was lent to me, I believe it is a cheap copy one. Everything is done in boot mode.

I downloaded Dilemma's Motronic suite and have been trying to use a combination of that and WinOls to figure out what maps are what. I have a few defined in Ols now; KFMIRL, KFLRST, KFMSNWDK, KFPED, LAMFA and I think KFMIOP. In fairness I should probably say "I think" to the rest of them too!

I have a "stage 2" modified map and a standard one from a UK '06 V70 2.4 T5 which I have been learning to compare on WinOls, and have also made changes in Dilemma's automatically found maps in Motronic suite to locate them in WinOls.

Using WinOls and knowledge of the ME7's seemingly ridiculously over complicated workings (I come from Honda PGMFI OBD 0 & 1, and standalone!) are my current limiting factors I think, so I'm carrying on as best I can, having a good learn along the way! Any information pertaining to these Ecu's would be very much appreciated though! I'm only doing it to tinker with a mates car, and seem to be hooked on figuring it out!

I can try to figure out the attachments thing on here and share the files and/or a pin out if it will help anybody out?

Cheers for any help - Mark

That should be the same map layout as mine which is an 05 S60R.

If you post the files up in the correct forums we can maybe or together?

Volvo ME7 pretty similiar to Vag ME7. I even used Galletto2, Vag me7 bootmode for reading and writing, and everything was perfect. I think it can be done with Galletto 1260 also.

P.S. You missed LDRXN, KFZW, KFDLHBN at least.

I've attached them here, but please someone say if this is the wrong area or anything and I will gladly take them down.

I also attached my poor attempt at a definition thing with WinOls.

Cheers terminator, I shall continue turning my eyes square!

I'll take a gander in a day or so and if they match we can compare notes?

Do you know where the stage2 came from?  What are you trying to accomplish?

It was wrong defined  :)

Actaully for stage 1 you can mod only 3 maps: LDRXN, KFLDHBN, KFZW.

KFPED that you found actually is not KFPED, but KFWDKMSN.

Cheers!

Do you happen to have yours to hand?

Would be nice to do the same comparison is all!

The Stage 2 came from a friend of a friend, I have asked what it is but unsure yet. The original file is meant to be from the same car though.

The actual car my friend I am looking into this for has is an ex police V70 T5, I think it is the B5244T5 that is in it. The code on top is 0261208289. I am yet to read his ecu, still practicing before doing his, I wouldn't hear the end if I were to brick it! He just wants it to be faster, I am just a sucker for a challenge, seemingly.

Thanks for the help Terminator, I shall do much more reading!

First, I suggest you to read S4 wiki. The most of maps looks very similiar in 2D mode with VAG ECU.

KFZW starts from 1323E. 12x16 

I stumbled across that before, I shall have another read.

Thanks for that! I have found the other three similar maps next to that and am trying to figure out which is which now, and to find the axes.

I am very envious of your ability to just recognise them all! I imagine it will take years before I get to that point!

Would you say that the tuning strategy used by the author of this "stage 2" map is any good?

Thanks again - Mark

The strategy with KFMIRL/KFMIOP is quite interesting, in particualar KFMIOP... Also, KFLDHBN would benefit if adjusted somewhat as well for higher boost levels if that was requested by LDRXN but
LDRXN is kept untouched... I'd say it's total crap to be honest.

 :D

Thanks for the honesty Fredrik. I had planned to just try this map on with my LM-2 plugged in and make sure the AFR's were at least something like, but shan't bother now!

Care to elaborate upon the peculiarities of the KFMIRL vs KFMIOP relationship?

I have also just been informed that the lad had a problem with torque surging with this map. Is it that the requested load is beyond the limit, LDRXN, then?

Any chance you could post the location of LDRXN? And any of the other maps locations would be appreciated! In fact, any other info at all!

All the best, and many thanks - Mark

My original is posted in the forum, my tuned file is a paid for MTE tune and I won't post that as I don't think it's right.  I have about 25 maps defined and I'm 90% sure it's the same layout, I'll put some time to it later in the week I've got work deadlines which have priority.

The MTE tunes I've seen are generally very well thought through.
All changes makes sense and it's quite clear that they in general have good defentitions (or have spent plenty of time with disassembly).

It seems very well thought through, I, like the OP am working on defining the maps so I can tweak if needed.

Marco from MTE was a mapper at Volvo so I think he will have ALL of the definitions!

I have an A2L/Damos file for Volvo ME7 but it only matches up for the earlier ME7.0 bins unfortunately...

Don't think so... In that case he wolud be in serious trouble with the law for stealing know how as a former employee...  :D

I think so, I've met the guy.  I can't comment on the stealing but I think he should know it inside out anyway, without needing files.

Pity there isn't any definition files for the later cars.

http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/air-fuel-ratios.shtml

Is any of the 5cyl ME7.x volvos wideband?

P2's and P1 ME7's have a wideband O2 sensor in the DP.

Entirely understandable. I am hearing great things of MTE! Out of interest, how much did the tune cost, and where did you go to get it?

I had a bit of a look at your file and the ones I have, they seem very similar to me, just offset a little here and there.

Still hunting for this LDRXN line, like a needle in a haystack is how I'd describe that!

I have been reading up on the IRL IOP relationship too, as suggested... I'm glad there is now a calculator for it!

I'm pretty sure the map locations are identical.

It was about £420 can't quite remember as it was a few years ago.  You can get them from the UK from a reseller called Don N0rchi.  He's not a fan of me so I'll leave that there :)

Re LDRXN, I load your map tonight when I have a minute and if it matches up I'll post when you can find it. 

Here's my MTE version, it's scaled to 8000RPM  ;D

(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww161/jpcurrie/image-1.png)

So 2003- 2.5T is wideband?

Not too caught up in the volvo scene, might be time to expand though. The Volvo 5cyl's are popular :)

yes, it is wideband

i really like tuning these cars, small group though, i would love to
port over a NLS/anti lag type of thing like you guys have, i know its 100% possible for someone with the knowledge
but thats where my limits are  :(
plus i do this for fun

Indeed they are. I guess one of the reasons is that they, with very little effort, can make 300 hp's which is, to say the least, a decent power level in a family car.
Reaching 300 hp in for instance the VAG 1.8T requires a bit more work and hardware upgrades, the Volvo can run 300-320 hp basically using stock engine with just an exhaust system upgrade.  :)

Well thats comparing apples to oranges :)

Comparing a 2.7tt with a T5r is closer.

Depends on how you look at it I guess. From an engine point of view it might be so, but the fact that availability and cost for 1.8T vehicles and Volvo 2.4T/2.5T/T5 vehicles are much closer (at least where I live) makes it a valid comparison I think. :)

Here are some maps I found. I'm not 100% sure about LDRXN, but I think its still LDRXN. Near that map there are maybe some boost limiters also. Some axis are wrong.

Sorry that stock file don't match.

I think it's the original ROM where the others I've seen are from 2005 yours is dated 2004.

Might be wrong though but that's all I've got.

He's a 2005 auto file I ripped, it matches my R file spot on.

Which ols version are you guys using?

Thanks for sharing.  What ECU part number is this one from?

Have yet to delve into ME7, don't own a ME7 brick (yet) but will some day... Seeing people interested in ripping ME7 apart is encouraging :)

The volvo 5-banger is a very capable motor.  There's folks on the Volvo boards pushing 400hp off them after upgrading rods and bearings, 300hp is pretty straight forward with the right bolt-ons, even on the 1st gen B5234.  Best off all they don't look like a speed car. Sleepers are the best!

are you the one that is doing all that awesome work on datalogging for motronic 4.4?

Hello there,

I am starting to tune some Volvo files as well, have tuned audi and VW and things are similar, can find kfmirl and kmiop and timing maps, but hoping to find KRKTE, would love some help trying to locate this map if possible. I looked at your stg 3 file, would sure help if you had the original to compare it to so that locating the changed maps would be easier.

I have attached the T6 file I am working on, still working on locating all the maps, if anyone has any tips on locating the injector constant or KRTE, that would be great.

thanks,

John

KRKTE 19850 I think. Maybe I'm wrong.

pretty sure you are correct sir

Yes yes, that'd be me :) Just about achieved all my goals, "rev 1" binaries are now up on the Volvospeed thread (http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/topic/159506-tuners-rejoice-free-tuning-for-m44/page-24#entry2241826) along with the ADX and XDF.  Rev2 of the ADX will fix the correction for LTFT idle, Rev2 binaries will add logging of the knock detect flagbit.  Those will be up shortly.

Have you used it?  Haven't got much feedback on how it works for others, but of course there's not exactly a significant crowd of folks poking around with M4.4...

Thanks guys, that is in the right area below the fueling map.

I will test this out,

thanks,

John

Hi all,

It's worth pointing out that Robert Arnold from ARD dredges this forum, among others, gleaming information for his tuning business whilst purporting to be someone else.

"ohhello" is one of his names, there are more.

Map locations for Stage 1 and 2 he will know already tbh, just thought you might like to be aware.

Well, amongst many others^^

If I had more time I would gladly help you find maps and dive into the Volvo scene myself.

This may have been covered, but is Vida sufficient for logging Volvo? Can you log any desired RAM location?

negative, vida is extremely limited which is frustrating to me

things useful you can view, not log is air fuel ratio, rpm, tps, ignition timing for cylinder 1, and fuel trims, you can graph everything at about 20-30 times per second which is fast, but you cannot save logs? i don't know why they would do such a thing with dealer specific software.

but a while ago i did find volvo DHA floating around on the internet which does work for logging ram locations, there is a huge preset list, and it also looks like you can add your own if you know the address, if you would like a copy ill send you a link, i just don't know about posting the software because it is definitely volvo engineering software.


also mercuric, i have not gotten to test your datalogging yet, but my father in law has a stick volvo t5 wagon with 4.4 i will be tuning soon, viewing knock on those motors would be excellent!, thank you for your time and effort.



edit: if anyone is interested, this is about all i have defined, kind of did them as i needed them.
does anyone have a clue what the 6 column's in LDRXN do, automatics do NOT have matching column's like the manual's

Nice one Steve, I'll post mine up as well once I check it etc, later this weekend. 

BTW everyone, Steve is the guys who's been helping me define my maps, I'm a total newb at this, thanks so much!!

I did figure out OBD2 flashing though, but again it's with Volvo tools...

Does anyone want to take a look at my stock map?

I've attached it.

Did the bins change significantly, IE went from 512kb to 1024kb flash chips or to a completely new code base?

If the actual code routines didn't change much, one can sometimes disassemble the old and new bins, find the routine that uses the known address in the old bin (which you have the DAMOS for), then find the same routine in the new bin.. and then you have the new address for the map/scalar in question.

This, of course, requires that the program logic between the two binaries is similar enough that you can find the routines in both -- which is often the case.  It does take a little effort, but sometimes it's the only thing that works, especially for single-byte things like codewords, etc.  Maps are easier because they tend to have a signature -- a map size, a visualization of values that is obviously different and unique to a boost map, fuel map, etc..


Right on.  Feel free to hit me up here or on Volvospeed if you have feedback or need something, maybe I can help.

Yeah they changed from 512 to 1024kb.  There are a lot of maps that match once found they're just jumbled up a lot.   I one have the assembly kills unfortunately but that makes a lot of sense thanks.

Sounds like it was a major update then -- Darn.  I'm still curious though... Shall have to scour the board for Volvo orig's, I read there are 3 "flavors" of binaries, I guess 3 generations of Volvo ME7 ECUs.  This should get interesting! 

Actually four I'd say. :-)
One 512 kB version from the early days, two 1024 kB with different layout and finally the later versions (from MY 2004) with yet another layout.

It's actually a 1024kb file in the pack I have, but definitely ME7.0.

I think there may be more than this.  There are US versions as well.  For example the latest flash for the S60R 04 in the US is dated 2007 (iirc) and the latest in EU 2005.

If you look at the two bins there are a totally different layout and reference a different A2L file, which makes sense.

My MTE map actually has parts from the US file incorporated in-to it, I suspect they liked the updates or possibly just have one flash for both markets.

im still not understanding the need for LDRXN 6x16, nothing in FR relates to this? from what i have seen, and it seems automatics do not have all matching 6 columns like the manual's so im assuming maybe load request per gear? whenever i get my car back together i might do some testing

The 6 values axis is lambda. And that map is not called LDRXN. Although its purpose is the same.

can you please elaborate? and whats its proper name? i would like to make a correct map pack

Here is a stock file from the early days, i.e. 512 kB version. A person familiar with ME7 will easily navigate in it for a Stage 1 tune.

The slightly larger six cylinder engine :-)

No worries,  its from a facelift me7 ecu ending 289.

I flashed my map and immo code to this ecu and it works fine in my S60R.

Stg 3?  You can compare the manuals and auto files they show up some differences.   

I haven't found my krte yet,  needle in a haystack!

Any chance you could elaborate upon this a little more for those of us dumb founded by all this ME7 stuff!

I would like to learn about this, but am in fear of rendering my friends ecu a house brick. Is the immo code contained in the same eeprom as the main flash? If so, is it as simple as flashing a copy of his map onto one of the spare ecu's I have here and trying it in? If it works I can then tinker with the spare ecu, keeping his original one safe as back up.

Or is that asking too much for it to be that simple!

I'll post up his map for comparison once I get it. Not sure if the police spec ones were tweaked at all, so will be interesting to see.

As regards the multi axis LDRXN, a friend that is into Motronic tells me that in the ME7.6 stuff there is a LDRXN type of map that compensates for intake temperatures. Could this perhaps be anything to do with it?

Sure,

The immo code is on a separate chip, 95080 in my case, I simply lifted this chip, copied it, and burned it to a new chip.  I installed the new chip into a scrap 2005 auto ECU, flashed my map and it starts fine.

This guide was my reference to the ECU pinouts, etc.  http://trionic.mobixs.eu/Motronic/ME7/Volvo%20Motronic%20ME7.pdf

The plod cars are not modified performance-wise.

KFLDRX ??

Your boost map LDRXN, or whatever starts at 27CE0 6x16

KFZWOP at 1293F I think

KFLDHBN at 1BAF1

Rev limiter at 15842, lol I need to-do some work :)

Last one, KFMIOP 156CC.

Need orig file from 1999 S70 2.3T5 ME7 . If someone has the file please help me. Thank you!

I have this one but it's M4.4 - Is the 99 ME7?


Edit, sorry I should read first, :).

here you are rufusgti

You legend!

Apologies, not looked on here in a few days, but cheers for that!

I have just managed to pull the stock file off of my mates '05.5 V70 T5.

Comparing it to your standard file is very interesting, shows where Volvo made tweeks from the lowly normal T5 to the R, everything else seeming to be the same.

Having a look through now, feel free to do the same!

No worries, will have a look, hopefully this ones manual, I need a EU manual 05...

Yey! Manual thanks :)

No problem at all!

It most certainly is a manual yes, it's a 6-speed. Didn't take you long to figure out!

Possibly a daft question, as I'm not sure the hardware is the same between yours and his car yet, but would your file work in his as a factory tuned "stage 1" do you think?

Yes, open the file in a hex editor and search for the string "a2l" this will tell you things quick!

The S60R has 100cc more displacement, I often wonder if the map would work.

It also has another intercooler, a poor one though.  Apart from that and blue injectors I think it's the same.

I was all game for just trying it until you mentioned injectors  :(

Any chance of any help with the definitions if you have a few for this later type file already?

Might try looking for the bigger injectors too then, I'll see what colour his are, that is nice to know! The only thing done to his over standard is that I removed his AirCon rad, as he damaged it, and spaced his standard intercooler forward about an inch, into the newly found area. The standard unit is the full size of the radiator, and seems to work quite well.

I can try, my theory is that KRKTE isn't touched between files and the injectors are mapped on the fuelling map FKKVS.

I COULD BE TOTALLY OFF THERE.

Greens in R blues in T5 I think.

your file has blown my mind mark, it looks like a de-tuned euro R file, nothing i am used to seeing only USA tune files

edit : can you do me a favor and see what injectors your car has?

Volvo guys, you need to start naming the binarys after software number and upload them in the stock bin section, it gets quite messy if one is to search for a specific software :)

Cracking idea, the software number.  I assume you mean the referenced A2L?

05> T5's definitely have blue and R engine minus 100cc.  They're a very capable tuning platform.  A number of S60R's that I know have the T5 block instead of the weaker R one.  Well, unless they've had their liners shimmed :)

Blues are 395cc and Greens 435cc IIRC.

Both engines have variable fuel pressure up-to 7 or 8 bar. so nozzles don't really matter, well the blues are good for 350BHP on the 05> T5 anyway.  That's what you generally see on those engine with a good map and FMIC.

I can positively confirm that it has blue injectors.

350 hp with just an intercooler, that's rediculous! I don't think this lad needs it turning up that far though, his driving is already scary enough!

I shall post the binary in the other section when I get back to my desktop, apologies for littering them everywhere! Is the software number the code that WinOls displays at the top of the hex window?

it is under properties, and version i think
i opened yours up, the sw is 359462 on winols? hw part number 0261204559 which is confusing, because mine says the same, its probably inside the file somewhere

heres what is says for my 2004 p2R

                 1.0Vatlab VOLVO ID.                                ÄT03 P2X B5254RT ME 7.0.1 5XQK                                  B63250QK0000CODE1                   CDQKG                           P24/P26 ÄT03 B5254T4 25RT MAN AWD US                                    1.0Vatlab VOLVO NO.Volvo Cars Corporation  97564                                           50QKHJ.a2l      2007-11-01 07:26                    

I get 359462 for my file, too.

Not sure about the hardware number though? The Bosch part number on the outside of the case is; 0261208289

This whole Injector thing has got me puddled now. Why would they tune for the different sized injectors through FKKVS? Surely you would adjust KRKTE first? May not be too bad of a thing though, I wonder if I could simply re use his old FKKVS in the S60R file?

What is it that blows your mind about this file in particular krazydbiker? The file comes from a manual ex-British-police issue 2005.5 V70 2.4 T5. When I was comparing the file with the S60R one posted by dream3R I kept noticing that a lot of the different maps were very flat, whereas the R's maps were more "normal" looking, if that makes sense? Almost as though originally it had a similar file to the R's, but had been turned down? I remember hearing one of these V70's in pursuit when I was younger, the thing sounded like a jet engine the turbo was running that hard! This one is almost silent. I wonder if the Police have them "de-mapped" once they are done with them, possibly so they stand a chance of catching people!

Possibly irrelevant, but when it is flat out (on the private runway we use for tinkering) it won't go much over 140mph. I don't know what they are meant to do, but it seems like it should be capable of more due to the revs not being too high? I can't remember the exact revs it does that at, but it isn't buzzing at the redline by a long shot. Maybe they are just really long geared in 6th? And maybe it looks worse as the speedo is a police issue properly calibrated one, so reads less than a normal one. Just thought I'd mention it!

I need my mate to open his wallet and buy a new AFM now, as his keeps throwing codes. Then I can get the LM-2 rigged up and have a tinker with it, see what the old girl can do!

thats what blows my mind i guess, i did not know that this was an ex police car, maybe that makes sense, basically there is very little that needs to be done to that map to make it a lot more powerful, i have not checked max speed for that vehicle, i can when i get home later, but most of the volvo's are 155, depends on what tires that car comes with i think

as far as KRKTE, more testing needs to be done to ensure we have the right location, i need more time!, i would have thought krkte would be changed, but in the two possible locations, they are the same for your map, but fkkvs is way different

LDRXN is set very very mild in that map, but KFMIRL, and KFMIOP axis, and KFLDHBN, all support up to about 20 psi, which is just odd considering how low LDRXN is


this is what your file says inside of it

                         1.0Vatlab VOLVO ID.                                ÄT04 P2X B52X4XT ME7_500 5XGP                                   5BF050GP0000CODE1                   51GPPVD0                        sw:30771145AA P24/P26 ÄT04 B5244HT 24HT MAN FWD EU                      1.0Vatlab VOLVO NO.Volvo Cars Corporation  97564                                           50GPHJ.a2l      2005-05-13 07:54                         

As mentioned previously in this thread...


Tricky indeed...  :)

That sounds very promising, I may stick with his original file and work from there. Thank you for the information krazydbiker.

I have found a couple of 6 x 16 maps, which is what I believe LDRXN to be, but neither looks anything like a boost profile. Is there any chance of an address for what you have found?

I'm sorry but the police car mapped thing is a myth lads, plain and simple.

I know someone who works for them, prepping cars and the such and have also owned and been in loads and they have the same maps that the non plod ones do.

When the T5' went facelift they basically took the R engine as mentioned, it's obvious that they just detuned the R file to 260BHP and adjusted the fuelling for the injectors.

Where are the maps you are looking at mark and I'll take a look?  Where in the UK are you BTW?

Have a look at adress "27EE2" (6 columns, 16 rows). I don't have WinOLS in front of me, just looking in a HEX-editor so I might be mistaken but it looks like what you are looking for (if you are working on the file called "Wills Original File").

Both "yes" and "no". :)
In Sweden Volvo sell "tuning kits" under a different brand (Polestar Performance) and these tuing kits (developed by Volvo though) are street legal and many police vehicles are equipped with these tuning kits. They are easy to spot as the license plates on the police vehicles are not hidden, and the Swedish Transport Agency keep the records for all vehicles (including police cars) open, so just type in the license plate number and they will tell you if the car has stock power or if it is tuned so... There are actually tuned police vehicles out there, at least in Sweden since a couple of years back.

That's where I have mine, KFLDRX - Engine max. Last LDR

Yeah, sorry I was speaking UK only, forgot I was on international forum :D

The M66 box in these is geared for 160+, somethings wrong at 140, I'd fix that before tuning.  They do need a few mile at those speeds lol.

Also these KKK turbos are running like .7 bar stock and can run up-to 1.4 bar without too much fuss.  The older cars used the smaller 16T or 15G.

Many thanks Fredrik! I think you are right, as when I compare it to dream3R's file his is a similar profile but moved up, a lot!

Fair enough on the non tuned plod cars, it was just the memory of the pursuit car going down the dual carriage way that made me think my friends one had been de-tuned. His is silent, but the pursuit car sounded awesome, as though it was running twice his boost!

I shall check it out regarding the top speed thing, it seems strange as it runs well upto that, then just slows right down around 140 - 145. Other than its recent MAF error it hasn't complained of a thing, and has always been well looked after. I shall have a check over it though, thanks for the info.

I am from York, where abouts on these sunny isles are you?

Northumberland mate, no too far from you.

hmm, indeed 27EE2 is what i got also for LDRXN, but as far as the speed limiter, im going to have a look at that right now, why would this computer be limited to such a value.

fredrik, im coming up with  speed limiter as a 16bit value?

give me a few minute ill update this post with its location if i find it in wills file

My memory might play tricks on me, or perhaps I have this mixed up with the older ME7 in Volvo... I'm not at home so I have no files available to look in, but I might remember incorrectly. Never the less, pushing beyond 255 km/h has been difficult for some reason...

i may be totally off but vmax factor is 0.007813 , which would leave 255 at like 7F80? for hex, FFFF is 512? i am having trouble finding it, i do know that motronic 4.4 is 8 bit vmax?

would be interesting to know for sure though, the more maps defined the better

im not sure, im looking at old a2l's audi files, vw files trying to make find this thing

I've got it at 23B28 250kph, might be wrong, totally wrong tho

not sure, how did you end up finding it, the location that im finding has a value of 6a40, which seems odd to me to begin with, i dont have to worry about bricking the computer, so i suppose i could put a low number and see what happens if we really need it lol, a crude way of finding the right one, but lets see, in the audi files vmax is more then one bit also its 5 16bit values

crude testing i guess will have to be done, im at a loss at the moment as to its location, i have a feeling volvo uses them different then other companies, i think there are 3 level's for vmax, and depending on which one the car is configured to it points to that one, atleast that how the older me7 is set up, volvo hasnt changed how they worked on later years much, this is like trying to find NLLM for my map

I did remember wrong (mixed up all ECU types). In the older ME7's for Volvo, there are three limiters, VMAXCEMH, VMAXCEML, VMAXCEMM, all with factor 0.007813 as stated previously.

Yes you are correct I think we found them earlier they were se to 320kph in my mte file.   Needs tested.

fredrik, would you possibly know the purpose of FRMLASHU, and FRMLASHO - lambda mean upper and lower limit

FRMLASHO - 0.99
FRMLASHU - 1.05

i was confused by them after posting about leaning out the mixtures for wideband ecu's, philla had pointed me in the right direction of finding the constant for the lambda controller. but what do these do?

They are upper and lower thresholds for activation of rear O2 sensor oscillation testing.

That was optimistic...  :D

thanks phila, didnt want to bug you any more lol

well, today hopefully ill be testing that vmax, and krkte locations to see if they are correct, so tempted to go to some sort of realtime like other guys have been doing on here, even if i cannot code it to a test mode, flash time would be cut down

Thank You!!  :)
Also looking for manual version!

Did you get anywhere with your testing?

What do you mean by code it to a test mode? Is this simply so that the ecu doesn't throw a wobbler when you start willy nilly changing bytes? Turn off checksum type stuff? Sounds very interesting!

not 100% sure, i have not tried, dont really need it considering im just tuning my stockish cars and other friends cars

my guess it yeah, it turns off checksums entirely

Yeah, you're probably right. If you were tuning for a living on all manner of crazy builds it would probably be worth the effort, otherwise it's not that bad iteratively flash - log - guess - flash - logging I suppose!

It just makes you cry a bit when you see some of the standalone stuff. A friend and I have fitted a DTA S80 to his project car, and that comes with a remote "tuning box" that allows you to vary the ignition angle, fueling, cam timing, boost PWM etc all via two control knobs in real time!

I remember reading about the McMess protocol that Bosch uses, that sounded like a similar thing, if you had the tool for it  :'(

Did you have a play with your car the other day? Get anywhere with it?

no, had wayyy to much other stuff to get done, i need to verify the KRKTE location, i have a feeling our VMAX location is correct, but ill test it anyways, i think 250 KMH is enough jailtime around here anyways, no need to raise it lol

Hello!
Please help me. I need maps for S80 2.9 T6 2004.
Мery necessary ignition maps.

Post the ori!

I dont have my ori. My cable is posted)
This file from Motrionic Suite and more old car. I hope the cards are similar. Not?

my quest

Please help me to find maps.
This my Volvo S80 T6 2004my

Hello all!

Managed to have a little play with the Volvo today. I took the original map I posted before, and simply copied in the LDRXN values from Dream3R's S60R file.

Datalogging with an Innovate LM-2, watching AFR's on the factory WBO2 through the OBD2 port, and watching the boost through a little MAP sensor adapter I've made for the LM-2's analogue inputs.

Before the file swap we were seeing ~3 volts, which works to about .9bar (1.6ish volts at ambient), and now we are seeing around 3.2 volts, so about 1 bar now.

Fueling looks spot on, but the Charge temps are a bit high for my liking, they were hitting 49* before the file swap which concerned me a bit, and are getting to 52* now. Is this how these things normally run? I have always considered 50* to be the beginning of a charge temp "red zone" with petrol, and 60* an upper limit. There was no ignition intervention that I could see on the log, so no DET according to the ECU? And it did richen it up slightly as the temps went up.

All seems well, it drove spot on. The lad even reckoned it felt smoother, but that is either placebo, or perhaps the fuel trims being reset by the flash, to my mind.

Cheers for all the help lads, now I know this method works I'll probably have a bit more of a play. I think a bigger intercooler is the first port of call though!

correct if you copied over the R spec LDRXN it will boost to 1 bar.., but thats probably it, KFMIRL, and KFLDHBN is lowered on those files i think.
the intake temps on these cars are HORRIBLE...all of them, on the STOCK tune, doing a 4th gear pull to 120 on the highway i would see about 145F in an 85F ambient temp day


what kind of fueling in lambda are you seeing? i would say touch it up, but if i'm not mistaken the stock maps run pig rich when any additional boost is added.

also the stock ignition tables will put you down in the single digits for ignition timing if your on the stock map, anything over stock these cars are all about safety
have you ID'd some of the major maps yet? ill help you out with the ignition and fueling
finally another volvo guy on here :-D

Hi guys,
I wanted to share this utility with anyone who could use it.
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=4531.0title=
It's a Volvo ME7 Checksum Updater.
Any and all feedback is welcome.
Thanks!
Rob

Vad,
Thanks for posting your T6 original.  I've been doing some MAF-related research, I've been curious about the T6 MAF, and I did find MLHFM in this binary -- Table MLHFM (Linearization of MAF voltage) is at 14AB6, 512x1 of 16bit LoHi's with conversion factor (X*0.1)-200 = MAF KG/H and axis being MAF voltage in 0.0098v steps; no different than MLHFM in other Bosch-MAF ME7 binaries. 

I think I was a little over excited that I didn't fry his ECU the other day, and posted a bit prematurely!

You are entirely right about both the fueling and the timing.

Looking at a new log we took of an extended pull up hill, I can see that it starts lean low down (~.88 lambda whilst running near a bar of boost!), then suddenly flips to rich higher up (~.73 lambda), around about 5000  RPM. I believe this is it transitioning from the pedal requested lambda map to the EGT protection one as it exceeds the TABGAS value? I guess I need to richen up the request map for high throttle angles, and lean off the EGT one a little? I wouldn't dream of running it that lean low down with a bar, however upon reviewing the log of the car as it was originally, it did exactly the same before!

Timing does just as you said too, sits at a flat 10 degrees throughout the pull. When I look at what I believe to be the timing map (12AA2 11x16?) it does look to be a pretty flat timing map anyway, looks like a lot of work to reprofile it, especially when I have no conversions for the numbers!

What sort of timing do you run at WOT? I can see that the S60R file has a little less timing in the low to mid range, but then has more up top. How much exactly, I am unsure of.

I could live with the timing, but the low down lean-ness wants addressing. Any help with table locations, conversions, or anything really would be very much appreciated. I have only a few things labelled, (probably incorrectly too!) these are;

KFZW - 12AA2 11x16 (More ignition maps directly after this in the HEX, I am unsure which one is which though?)
KFMIRL - 158A4 16x16
LDRXN - 27EE2 6x16
KFPED? - 1734E 12x16
KFLRST? - 15FF4 8x7
KLAF? - 1676A 500x1
KFMLDMN? - 166A8 6x16
KFMSNWDK? - 16C22 6x16

I have managed to find these so far by modifying the tables labelled in "Motronic suite" and finding the changes in WinOLS. Then I compare the "shape" of the 3D map to my friends fully defined file! Very scientific I know  :D

Thanks for all the help so far guys, it is very much appreciated!

Thanks for the checksum tool guitar24t!

i must be blind, i'm not seeing your file in previous posts, so i cannot have a look at it, but before i was running meth with my horrid intake temps, i was running about a 11.0 - 11.3 AFR, i did use LAMFA to enrich, but not as much at the BTS map, as far as ignition timing, at 19 psi, i was able to see 13-14 degrees of timing before i would get knock, and that's on 93 octane fuel mid summer days
and yes, the stock map LAMFA is totally set to 1.0 lambda before it switches to BTS, the stock maps are good for stock, that's about it.

The stock lamfa table targets lambda 1.

Yes I'd agree it's switching to bts protection mode.

What are you logging it with?  As above the intake temps are nuts on these above a bar of boost.  Consider an intercooler, I wish I'd done mine sooner!

18 degrees C ambient, 0-145 pull and the highest intake temp was 32 degrees C.  It would have been double that with the stock setup.

Unfortunately I have left the office and am posting from my phone now, otherwise I'd have attached both the original and this revised ldrxn file. With hind sight I should have done that anyway!

I have uploaded it previously though if you are interested enough to search for it, it is somewhere around page 5 of this thread IIRC, and is also in the standard files section on this forum, listed as an ex police v70 file. I shall post it here again when back in the office though, so don't worry if you can't find it.

It sounds like I really need to find the LAMFA table then, richen up the WOT rows a bit.

The 13-14* ignition at 19psi, was that without the meth and on a standard cooler? What sort of IAT's did you see with that?

I am using an Innovate lm-2 to log, it plugs into the obd2 and also reads analogue voltages. I have a little connector I made for reading the standard map sensor voltages as I cannot find boost in the obd2 data stream. Works pretty well!

Charge temps are mad, I agree! Never seen them this high standard. They went up by about 2-3*c with the extra bit of boost. I have mentioned an intercooler and he is interested now he knows we can tinker with the ecu. Seems mad as the standard item isn't particularly small.

Another little observation from the log; With the original ldrxn I saw a peak aiflow of 220g/s at 6000rpm, with the s60r one I saw 240g/s in the same place.

Here is a link to the original files thread;

 http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=4252.0title=

lol, this was all before meth, i was seeing very high intake temps, but i tend to just do short pulls with my car, it would max out around 140-145 F

i dont think i would track drive, or drag race like that before, on meth though even after a long 4th gear pull, i only see a max of 130, and no timing pull at all, even with increased timing and higher lambda

I was seeing 70/158f on the track in my S60R 20 degrees ambient.  That was with water injection no meth, standard IC.

In my experience, stock intercooler isn't working that well actually (as you have noticed yourselves). There are a few upgrade drop in replacement versions available for reasonable money (i.e. China stuff, but they do work better than stock) and here (Sweden) they cost about $300US (without temperature sensor fitting) and about $60US more with the sensor fitting for the R-models for instance.

^ I've just fitted one of these, cost me about £300, made by KL-Racing.

Kl-racing.se Intercooler = best bang for buck ;-)

Thank god for that!  Thought you were going to say it's s***t

I'm really impressed with the drop in AIT's, my caR pulls really hard now.

:)

They are not too bad actually. :-)

Also, don't just stare at the temperature after the intercooler. During calibration also measure temperarture before the intercooler (after the compressor). As soon as the temperature is leaving a linear behaviour vs boost increase (temperature starting to increase exponentially with boost) you have hit the choke area of the compressor and it's time to think about a larger compressor. :-)

Interesting, how do you measure that variable?

Easy. Just go get yourself a temperature logger with a Type K sensor (it's just a millimeter in diamater with a wire) and loosen the hose slightly to the intercooler inlet, slide the sensor right in and tighten the clamp again.
It will cost you about $50US for a two channel version and that way you can keep track of temperature after IC as well at the same time.

(http://www.kjell.com/images/Product_130400110386584625/full/1/2-kanals-termometer)

Thanks, a simple idea.

Indeed, but a good tool for understanding when the compressor side of the turbo is working beyond its limit basically. The same tool (using a different sensor) can be used for EGT for instance. It's a setup I use a t least.

Haha, I wasn't being funny, I was applaud you.  Sometimes I cannot see the wood for the trees as we say...

 :D

Also, I have another piece of advice (from "learning by doing"  ;D ) and that is...

Please, monitor your oil temperature when passing 400 bhp's. That can also be done using the same logger basically if you want to. Just get yourself a new oil pan plug, drill a hole in it, make threads and fit a temperature sensor in it as well. My oil temperature increased beyond healthy limits when pushing more than 370 bhp's so I was forced to fit an additional oil cooler to get it back on track...

Good luck with the project!

Good advise.  My logger project will tell me oil temps via CAN BUS

Thanks!

I once measured the bell intercooler. 3-6 degrees celsius over ambient temperature with a GT35 on an S60R with around 600 Hp. Pull from 50 Km/h to 250...

Against that the kl-racing.se one is indeed sh.. but it costs only a sixth of what we paid ich for the bell... Thatswhy they have a good cost/benefit ratio :-)

Wow,  that's good.

You should checkout the one in the UK made by Tim Williams,  it uses a RS500 core and is normally only a few degrees over ambient with the K24.  It's about £800, so  is expensive when you compare with KL but it's a true fmic and is also a direct fit with no extra pipe or joins.

about the oil cooler subject, ford sells an upgraded oil cooler that will fit right on our R cars with the slightest modification to fit the coolant hoses on, that should take care of it

I would go for the D5 cooler I think, it's a direct fit....

lol, FOCUS RS cooler is the same as the newer volvos with the larger cooler, how ridiculous

Speaking Focus RS.... Very nice car although in stock mode it doesn't deliver anywhere near the claimed 305 bhp. Strange, because it was quite easy to reach with minor changes to the software.

The RS file I seen was quite similar to my S60R file,  fkkvs, krkte, ldrxn 6x16, etc,  etc.

I wish they made them in AWD!

lol, i dont know, focus RS handles good, but they used the same motor mounts as the standard focus, and instead of fixing them they release a message that says only if the custom complains of them bottoming out all the time to give the updated ones :-O

those are me9 cars right?

They are ME9.0.

I'd find it hard to-go back to FWD again...

I was at a local tuning place a few months back getting my car RR'd (330BHP + 535NM) and there was a tuned Focus RS there, it put out only 320BHP!  Anyway, he booted it out of the car park in a cloud of wheel spin etc, reminded me on how much I didn't miss that in my AWD.

Top tip!  If you have a P2 Volvo R and want to experience FWD pull the haldex fuse in the boot, it disables AWD as well as traction control and ABS, makes for an interesting drive!!

You guys are making me want to buy a Volvo myself!

I am struggling with finding this LAMFA map, but think I may have something. Is it located at 19B06 and is 11 x 6 in size?

The next thing I'll struggle with is the axis. I was kind of planning on just bumping the bottom 2-3 rows richer and seeing what happens, as I'm probably not going to know the real axis values without a Damos file am I? Sound like a plan to you?

Scratch that, is it 17748 and 15 x 6?

EDIT - Nope, that's even more retarded!  :D

EDIT 2 - Success I think! 2383E and 15 x 6, Factor to read in AFR is .114851, x axis RPM is at 23822 with factor 40 8-bit, y axis PED % is at 23830 factor .003052 16 bit.

Woooo!  ;D

Cool thing with the Volvos is that for instance the S60 T5 is quite easy to reach beyond 300 bhp
just by changing exhaust system and a quick reprogramming of the ECU. Anyone familiar with ME7 in general
can fix this.

In comparison, 300 bhp is more of a struggle with the VAG 1.8T to say the least, so the Volvo gives
quite a decent level of "good bang for the buck" I'd say.

Can't beat the blown five pot over the 4 pot :)

unfortunately any honda with a cheap turbo will beat our cars :(, but then again, it is a honda

Sure thing, but tuning the Volvo is about one hour and 15 minutes to fit the exhaust and about 15 minutes to modify the software (once you have done like 20 of them earlier... :D ).
Tuning the Honda fitting a turbo and geting it to run properly takes more than an hour and a half I guess...?  ;D

So... If you are in a hurry... Go for the Volvo.  8) ;) :) :D

Only wins because they're so light. For example, a 95-2000 (6th gen) civic is about 2300lb curb weight, stock, before the ricer deletes the AC and everything else they can to save a few pounds.  The S60R AWD curb weight is around 3600lb!

i know, i also would get tired of my car sounding like my weed eater, the volvo's have a nice sound to them :-D

but seriously, one of the local guys here has a civic with a swapped in cheap motor and an ebay turbo kit, the only thing that costs some money was the hondata setup, after i got through with it its probably faster then my car :(, hard to tell because it gets absolutely no traction

I caught an Civic Type R in my air filter yesterday, lol

Whoa! Less of the Honda hate lads!  :P

Mine's a '90 Crx Sir with a T28  ;D

And it sounds nice thank you. Bloody Volvo drivers....  :D

My first car was also a 160hp vtec civic. Blown it up after modyfing ecu with over 10.000 rpm :)

Next car was a turbo volvo, so i guess its natural evolution to come to a volvo in the end :D

Hi.
Im thinkin about ethanol powering my 2004 2.5T as a learning project.
Problem is i havent quite figured out the hardware needed to read/write ecu without removing the eeprom. Is the Galletto 1260 or MPPS the way to do it?

I have used either or, but MPPS seems to be more reliable IMO, just make sure you get a good one, the ones from china right now are junk.

and oh how i wish e85 was around here, i went the other route with meth injection instead.

here in Brasil we have E100 since 70´s; believe me, the really good thing is power, for handling (start below 15°C, wanr-up, tip-in, etc) gasoline is much better  :D

Ok thanks, think im gonna try the galletto at first.
 Yeah I've cheap converted a 850 to e85 before and winter time was rough. Hopefully I'll be able to resolve coldstart issues by mapping for e85 instead of just raising fuel pressure.

no clue on cold start issues, i had read through a few pages a while ago about something with multiple spark and me7, but good luck trying to define those maps if they are included in our ecu's

also as far as galletto or mpps, make a good bench flasher
also with galletto, you may have to select something like audi, or something with the chip you have in bootmode, it will work, MPPS has an option called bosch generic, then it lists 512, or 1mb flash.

i cant say this is quality, but it works!
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13073104/20120922_120939.jpg

Multiple sparks is something I have not yet tried although I'm running E85 in one of my cars.
Basically in the wintertime with temperatures dropping below zero degrees you notice a real difference
compared to petrol and the enrichement required is quite substantial.
For coldstarts below -5°C I use an electrical engine heater and if the temperature falls below
-10°C for a longer period of time I run the car on petrol instead.

(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww161/jpcurrie/dreamCAN.png)

Work is progressing on my Volvo ME7 logging tool.  I thought this may be of inteest to you guys.

Currently it supports only MY05> and is very much a WIP but it DOES work and my alpha code can log 20 variables in 500ms or so.  Not too bad for a CANBUS system that supports only four continuous data requests at full speed.

Awesome work bud, I wouldn't know where to start making something like that!

So can you flash without having to f*** about with bootmode?

Some interesting sounding tabs along the top there, what else is lurking in them?

Planning on releasing? I could certainly test this on my mates car if feedback would be of any help?

Thanks, yes this is my dev version, something I'm putting together for my 20G turbo tune.  There wasn't a logger of good enough data/quality that I could find so I am currently in the process of making one!

The first two tabs work at the minute but I am still ironing out bugs and may well rewrite the Windows front end in C++ instead of the VB, I hate VB but the development life-cycle is quick!

Yes it will be released, the logger part anyway, this will be my gift to the Volvo scene.  The rest may or may not get finished to be honest.  I've got all of the OBD2 flashing and diagnostic tools for Volvo anyway.

I can display this data on the DIM (Clock computer) as well which is a nice touch.

The output I plan to use NYET's graphing tool on here to help me tune the nuts off my car when the time is right :)

Oh, I fixed the IAT typo :D

Yes you can test it when it's at that stage, probably 2 months or so, depending on my day jobs and kids.  PM me your details.

The comfort stuff, I have in my car at the minute using a micro-controller and my own firmware to fold the mirrors etc, when locking the car.  It also displays a boost gauge on the dashboard and works really well.  This was done on a slower single CAN controller though, I am in the process of a port/rewrite to use the faster dual CAN hardware, and to merge all of the code together in-to one tool.

Here the boost gauge, early code but works well... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzcFesqruWk

I'll be honest and say that dash stuff may well become commercial, depending on interest, there has been quite a bit state side anyway.  At the minute it's only in my car, no-where else.

For the other tabs I made them when brainstorming, flashing I won't develop that, car-config will be a dissection of the CEM carconfig memory to view, much like VIDA does, DTC's I might just have a 'clear all' button there to help during my mapping, doubt It'd be worth doing much more.

 :o

Those are some amazing computery skills you have there buddy!

I love the bar graph on your boost gauge, and how it flips round when into vacuum. What else can you display, and can you cycle through using the control button on the indicator stalk?

Understood on the Volvo tools, I wish I could warrant them for just tinkering with a car that isn't mine for a non-paying friend. I'll just have to stick to the "old fashioned" feeling way!

How long have you spent working on it?

I wish you the best of luck with any venture with this  :)

P.S. I didn't spot the typo!

P.P.S Could the "select" button possibly be renamed "record", or is that not all that it does?

i want the boost gauge !!!, i hate having aftermarket stuff in my car, i like the stock look

PLEASE let me know if there is anything you need from me. I'm lovin this thread. Good job guys.

Great work :)

Is there likely to be compatibility with ME9?

Rick

Will do thanks, you helped a lot already by pointing me to your source code, the function that 'case's the log file was golden.  I'll just copy one of the input files it's looking for and it will be great.

Is there any cmd line options to launch the tool, or aanyway I could potentially automate the launch and axis of a few key graphs that I may see fit?

Yes, the plan is to expand once the P2 ME7 stuff is done.  The problem is there's at least 4x different setups in P80/P2 ME7.  I'll need to get hold of an ME9 ECU and ECU box/harness as well.  A C30 setup would be ideal, or ME9 S40.

I've been away and completely rewritten the GUI in C#, VB.net wasn't agreeing with my brain, I like ANSI C type syntax.

Sorry forgot to reply to this...

It's been re-written so the GUI has changed somewhat, I'll post an updated screen soon.

I've been working on CAN-BUS code for about 9 months now, this particular version about a month on-and aff in my spare time.  Development was accelerated by a good CAN library, some bitshifting help and my previous code being easily portable to the PIC device I'm using.

Multi-quote would be helpful ;) (Sorry if I missed it somewhere).

Thanks for the encouragement guys, I'll keep this thread up-to date, the troops on my home ovlov forum think I'm talking some kind of sorcery!

Nyet/Anyone else.   I have a puzzle in decoding some CAN frames for my logger.  I think the values are hidden in specific bits in the returning bytes then multiplied in-to engineering units (m=y+b stuff).  I tried to decipherer  a few times a couple of weeks back then dropped it to code the windows stuff hoping to return and 'crack' it.

If I post the CAN data and thoughts would this be something that anyone could help with?  I'd need to turn it in-to a bitshifting ANSI C algo to come to an answer in engineering units...

Cheers!!

yea.

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I will try if i can

Thanks I'll collate something soon, this week it's J2534 programming!

pretty awesome, i know of two me9 cars i can get ahold of, but reading those out will probably require BDM and cracking that sealed case open i'm assuming? unless you have some tricks up your sleeve about using SDA for me9?

I just need to play with an ECU on the bench for the logger, no need to open it.

Here's one of the values that's foxing me:

UB : battery voltage V

(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww161/jpcurrie/ubat.png)

Response data, 8 bytes:

CD,7A,E6,10,0A,48,00,00

The offset mentioned is from the right so 0x48 is the data.  Voltage should be 11.7->12 volts in this response.

Any ideas?  Looking at my code my last try was (completely wrong)

Any chance you can get more samples, with different voltage values?

in ME7.1 on audis, voltage is generally 1 byte, where 12V is 171 or 0xAB (scaling is 0.0704), like you said.

No clue why you are taking the top four bits. I'd use all 8 bits:

result = (msg->data[5]) * 0.0704

but hey, that would mean 0x48 is what, 5v?

Yes my first answer was 5V, the other values that I have figured out were all the same as you said.  I'm confused.

The bitshifting I posted was a vain attempt in getting values no real thinking about it...

I checked and there is no change in the debug log I have here but then again it was plugged in-to a PSU on the bench.  I think it best to take another set of logs and recheck my notes on the RAM locations of ubat before wasting anymore of your time :D

Is there any available data on the ME7.1 on these conversions?  I'm thinking it may be a decent reference for my project.

https://github.com/nyetwurk/ME7L/blob/master/ecus/example.ecu

for example, youll find this:

wub , {BatteryVoltage} , 0x3808BF, 1, 0x0000, {V} , 0, 0, 0.0704, 0, {Batteriespannung; vom AD-Wandler erfaßter Wert}

That Sir is a GOLDMINE, thank you.

I think that the data is incorrect and my original calc was correct at 5v.  My harness could have messed with the voltage reference or something.  I'll try the car.

Please help !!!!
I readed an Volvo s60 2.5T 2004 in wrong mode only 512kb instead of 1024kb.  After flashing the readed file back, ecu doesn't respond anymore. This is because I missed to read the remaining 512kb. Can somebody please send me the propper org starting with the same 512kb as in the attached file????

i could probably find you a file that would "work" but i recommend going to the nearest volvo dealer and getting the correct flash put back on.

first off, automatic, stick?

nvm, found it in your file
 P2X B52X4XT ME 7.0.1 4XLL
sw:30641522A P2X 0310 B5254T2 25LT MAN FWD EU BLDC  

my S60R file will probably start your vehicle, and run horrible, how far are you from the dealer?

Hi krazydbiker,

it has manual gears not automatic.
I tried really a lot of files (all aof this thread) and your s60r is working engine is starting but horrible idle because of smaller injectors.
Im from germany, next volvo is 10km far from me. But do they suppy you with the right flash? I think they want to sell the complete ecu?

Thank you krazydbiker ;)

What injectors does it have?

I'll probably have a file close.   I take it that it's a MY04 pre facelift?

Hello dream3R,

yes it is pre facelift build at beginning of 2004. I attached a picture of the ecu.
I allready searched the hole inet and tried at least 8 different files, but only the s60r was running... :(

I really need the org file and I will pay for it!
So please let me know if you have it ;)

I don't want cash for an ori file...

I don't have exact one but if you tell me what injectors this car has I can give you one that might start and get you to the dealer without burning a piston on the way..

I'm off out so will post something tomorrow.

The injector colour is normally the giveaway, I'm guessing blue...

Test run for my logger today, test graph using NYET's tool but you can see it's a brilliant bit of software...

(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww161/jpcurrie/boostandait_test.png)

yeah if you can get to volvo they can do a software reload, i have done it before :-\, but yeah since its so far away from you dream3r has probably the best idea, find a file that starts it and tweak accordingly.

Hello friends,

Finally I found the right org :)

This is the best forum, thank you a lot for your help ;)

If anyone is in need for original files, I have tuned a bunch of Volvo ME7's between 1999-2003 so if you need anything, just shout. Chances are I have those stock files saved (aut, man, 2wd, 4wd, different engine types...).

fredrik, if your willing to share, i would love to have more stock files for situations like this guy just had, thanks

No problems. I'll post when I get back home.

Hello Friends,

now I want du make a tun file and I get som boost errors:
6814 and 6806

where is the max MAF map (KFMLDMX) in this ecu?

thanx in adv. ;)

Fredrik if you have files from S/V/C70 1999 ,2wd,man please post them. I need to make a good file for my 99 S70 2.0T5 with 2001 S60 B5234T3 engine. Thanck you!

ummmmm, im not sure i understand you, at all

Here are some of the files I've come across...

Here is also one of the 512kb-files used in early Volvo ME7's.

Wow, thanks!

That'l keep me busy defining these ;)

thank you very much!, my stock R file is posted, not that its anything special :-\

where is KFMLDMX?
at what adress  ;)

Fredrik, might you have a 2004 s60R auto file?

Bought a 2.5T XC90.

Suffice it to say, I will be reading this thread from the start again. I have a genuine MPPS V18.whatever is newest. Bootmode still required to read/write?

School me on what fails, and when :)

Thanks guys.

What year?  Here's a 2005 petrol one, ME7, Facelift (2005>). P2X B5254LT 25LT MAN FWD/AWD EU and also a pre-facelift 2004 file sw:31211196AB P28 ДT03 N3T B6294T AUT AWD EU

MPPS will read/write both ECU's out of the car.  CAN-BUS software/hardware is required to write in car there's no kwp wired to the ecu at all.   Reading the full 1024kb file is impossible in car AFAIK, you can read the file minus the 8000 rom area using byte by byte checksum commands but that's not a good option.

As for failing if it's AWD the angle gear is a major weak point, it's a part of the Haldex setup and some of them are made of lego from the factory.

MY2004, 2.5T auto. AWD of course.

It's fairly clean, runs very well. Interested in coding out catalyst monitoring (tips/tricks?) and setting it up with a mild tune.

I'll pull the ecu (if necessary) and read it tomorrow. Will surely post it here as well (North American file).

Which of the files you posted is a closer match? I just want to peek around before I have a chance to read the ecu.

Next to find a decent OLS for comparison sake.

Thanks guys, will surely post everything I do here, including my definition file.

The second file will be the right year, pre-facelift.

The maps wont be in the same place though.  LDRXN doesn't exist in these files, it's a 6x16 boost table, can't remember the acronym.

 If you find a defined ols, I be surprised.

CDKAT I'm experimenting in an 04 for a friend now.

As said earlier, the AWD system is the weak point. Enginewise I've tuned several of these with TD04HL16T (stock T5 turbo), larger injectors and three inch exhaust with no issues at all (manual 2WD ones though) so there is plenty of room for power increase.

Sadly, I've also tuned an AWD automatic with not so great results... Heavy torque control midrange will solve this but on the other hand, who wants a large Volvo behaving like a Honda 1.6 VTech?

Might have... I'll check.

Just to clarify, the year is the same but form what I have noted looking at the US files, they tend to be newer (most are 07 dated?) and the maps a flung around in different spots to the EU files.  EU files have a few different layouts as well, some similar ish offset wise, some totally off the map compared to others.

I'm starting to think that I'd be better coding this to use J2354 cables than the microcontroller route I had been working on.  After some experimenting with the mentioned pass-thru protocol and it should be able to-do what I need and do it fast, it seems like a very nice API SAE has invented.  The code would all need moved from the microcontroller side to the windows side, but shouldn't be a big deal as C is C mostly when doing calculations.

Anyone got any thoughts?

My primary reason is that a clone J2534 cable can be had for about $20 now.  It would also avoid people having to build a cable and micro-controller setup for the logger as well.  The software as a result will also work with various other diagnostic boxes such as Volvo's DiCE unit, which is also available cloned.  In fact I've just convinced myself typing this,  :P.

I just checked the monitor status on my new to me volvo, all unsupported but comprehensive components. Is this normal?

Monitor status?

Readiness.

They do support obdII, fairly limited pid's though.

hello I need again help :(

After remap the S60 the engine switches off from time to time with the DTCs: 981a and 9070
I attached the EEPROM and remaped flash.
anyone any idea? is it the remap, immo, checksum or an faulty ecu?
again please help me

got a volvo? awesome haha, honestly these bin's match up pretty good to audi's

the readiness should say supported? mine does anyways, i bet its something with the scan tool

cruuz, ill have a look

well, that code from volvo looks like an overboost code, try to get a generic obd code

Thanks krazydbiker,
I will read the dtc's next time also via obd2, maybe they have additional information.
Is there a vehicle specific ID stored in the flash memory (1024KB), something like the immo code in the eeprom (1KB)?

You need to look at the torque monitoring stuff in your map.

I am not sure if the "org" isn't going out aswell. But maybe the mod has left a limiter
like KFMIZUOF at 0x011C02 maybe. What do you think?

Pretty sure I have found KFLDRX in my file, but the values start at 145. Anyone have a screenshot of a known map so I can verify mine is correct?

:)

 ;)

Thanks :)

That's what I have.

Is that to get the heavy thing moving?? 

I have 0 idea, but I'm going to make it a bit more traditionally, and much more aggressive midrange. It looks like both BTS and LAMFA are all 1's as well (in the file you posted, pulling mine today).

From memory my original file was 1's in lamfa but 0.86(ish) in bts...

I can see this light remap needing injectors soon ;)

I have roughly 10 sets of 60lb ev14s sitting here. It won't be an issue :P

On another note, I've been given the go ahead to play with a friends car. Anyone have an ori for a 98 V70, bosch number 0261204607?

Is that ME4.4?

Yep, and I've already found the original I was looking for, compared it to my Damos, and it couldn't be any closer :)

Grand.

If you look over at Volvo speed there is a chap called Mecuric who has released a logging enabled bin and XDF etc etc.

This might perhaps be of help for someone...

That's the P80 A2l file that's been floating around?

Pity it didn't help much for my caR.

Don't know to be honest. Found it on my harddrive and thought it might be of help for someone basically.  :)

I think this is the info you referred to at the start of this thread?

yeah, that helps pretty good to understand the basic working of how volvo does some things, but for the 2004 and up, its so very different, i would kill for an a2l for one of these cars lol

I feel as though I should ask here rather than starting a new topic.

Does anyone know the names of the EVAP error classes in M4.4?

have you looked into the XDF's from mercuric? pretty sure he has all of the diagnostic disables defined

http://m44.wikia.com/wiki/ECU_Flashing

for 607-608 files ofcourse, what file number is yours? usually they are within 5-10 bytes of the 607-608 location anyways, pretty basic :-\

and make sure if you change something at say like F000 you must change its mirrored copy at 1F000

seems like they ran out of space so this was the fix to put a larger chip on.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/em2tmdakuyk7afj/Screenshot%202013-10-08%2017.02.09.png

I have the 607 (auto s70). I didn't see anything about the EVAP solenoids, and the code persisted after disabling everything listed. I have a OLS that's pretty much spot on (more than enough for me to define the entire file) but I don't know the names I'm looking for. there are so many that are close.

That wiki is cool, is that mecuric?

I wrote step 1.

lol

hmm, i think i have that same a2l but having the convert it all from German to English yeah i'm not positive on definitions

ill try to search more when i get home

I'm going to remove anything with endstuffe and tank in the description.

hi please help me with this problem:
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=340.msg46474#msg46474

I flashed org and the car was working perfektfor more than 5 days, the engine wasn't switching off again.
Therefor it must be the mod!

In the mod I also tried to disable torque monitoring by setting KFMIZUOF at 0x011C02 to FF.
But without success :(
please give me more hints :)

dude, read the wiki, do not disable the safety's that are probably saving you from engine damage.

specifically, read at how people are modifying KFMIRL, KFMIOP, you need to understand how this computer works first, its not just turning stuff up.

i started learning here also, s4 tuning wiki was a huge help as well as the wiki here showing how the different functions work on this computer.

Morning all,
Im in East Yorkshire in the uk
I too have a ex-police 2006 Volvo v70 t5, to read the ecu i have installed a boot switch to the ecu casing (just to save opening it all the time)
so all i have to do now is connect the bench lead, power supply, and away i go!
I use mpps set to 1mb generic bosch and it works a treat.
I have had a few files written for me by different pro tuners on different forums (paid for) but ive had issues with surging, so i have the ori file back on at the min.
I will post my ori file for people to use/look at.

Do you have a boost gauge?  I would be surprised if you car was hitting 1.8bar when it surges.

It's almost definitely poor tuning, but I'd check your TCV valve and wastegate setup as well.

It goes into limp too, but logs a lambda fault b2s2 heater circuit, but ite decatted too! could this be the problem?

You'll need to turn off CDKAT to get rid of the lambda issues.

Changing the exhaust flow will make the spool characteristics change.  I think the best approach will be to change the boost PID to correctly control boost, but people do it using the TCV duty map as well.

What codes does it throw with the limp mode?  Is it an just overboost code or is there more?

I'm glad to say that the 2005 version of my logger is basically complete, it just needs thoroughly tested.  I'll do that over the next few weeks as I map my car with it.

Be prepared for some silly questions..!

Anyway, I have someone to test the P2 2004 cars so I need someone to test the P80 (old shape, but drive by wire ME7 cars) models as I don't have one.

The code isn't done for the older models yet but should be trivial hopefully.  The hardware is around 80EUR or so and comprises of a microcontroller and a shield.

Anyway, if anyone wants this on the P80 platform give me a shout, otherwise it won't get done.

I said earlier on this thread that I would be using j2534 and cheaper cables but I just don't have the time at this stage to-do so.

:D

It only appears to be a lambda fault at the min, heater circuit b1s2, i know this is probably wiring related or faulty lambda, but is this lambda needed if ive decatted it or is it used for something other that cat monitoring?
thanks steve
is there a damos for my file anywhere or would it be a case of trying to make my own?

No there's no Damos I'm aware of.

The car's diagnostics will register a cat efficiency code without a cat and light the MIL.

Not 100% on that code as it looks generic.

I can post a code when my wife gets in from work and i finish my shift tonight, off the top of my head its p003? but not 100%sure i will check later on
thanks

Morning all,
When i got in last night i read the codes off and they are as follows
p0036
p2178
so i suppose the question is...can i delete the cause out of the file, im sure its the second lambda and seeing as the exhaust is decatted is seeing a higher value than expected, hence limp mode.
Thanks all steve
ps if i can delete it, which map would it be please and is it case of increasing the values to a figure above what the lambda is seeing?
or is it not that simple
thanks

Ive been searching through the few mod files i have and the stage 2 posted up earlier in the thread is an EXACT match to a file i had written for me!! strange eh......the only thing i can think is that his friend of a friend is me?
Where are you mark and who is you mate you got the file from...im not bothered at all just wondering tbh lol

Have you checked for air leaks?

Yes all seems fine, i might just look for another cat and refit one lol

No idea but the other code is a too rich code.

Might be worth getting it scanned with VIDA.  You can get a chinese DiCE and VIDA set off eBay for about £80.  It will soon pay for itself with these cars.

i think its all lambda related tbh but i might see if anybody locally has vida or dice and see what i can sort out

Fruits of my labour:

I've binned my stage 2 MTE tune and am writing one from scratch for my car, 2005 S60R, Intercooler, Water injection, 3" DP etc.

I created a basic tune, raised load limits, reworking fueling and doing work on the TCV map (these cars have a tendency to spike), stock timing and LDRPID stuff at this stage.

First pull the car was fast but not as fast as it should be:

(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww161/jpcurrie/dream3rtunev1.png)

Fast forward and the third version was flashed and it's felt a lot quicker:

(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww161/jpcurrie/v3.png)

Any comments?

Yep. Would you please write me a file john?
Or help me if I try and write one myself please?

There's loads of info on here buddy, you'll need to put a LOT of time to it though.

As far as writing a file, I wouldn't do it without seeing it and logging it.  I've got mine to-do then a mates in Sheffield in a few weeks first though.  I'm just a hobbyist though, no plans (or time) to-do it commercially.

Thats fine mate, im not too far from sheffield, i could maybe meet up when your over,
the friend of a friend mentioned in previous threads is me ive contacted my friend and he has confirmed it lol
I dont mind putting the time in when i can and i dont expect something for nothing either mate.
I too do remapping as a hobby but its mainly dervs and vauxhalls i work with.
Hopefully talk soon
steve

You've lost me buddy :D

Lol sorry john,
The files that mark posted up are Infact the files I've read off my Volvo,
The stage 2 file is one I had written for me by a file writer I know of.
When you go to Sheffield, your not far from me, so I might call in to meet you.
Also I am quite prepared to put the time into reading and learning.

With those mods I'd go for more boost easily. With stock hardware I run at about 1.45 bars of boost with no horrible back pressure nor high EGT's.
Put more logs in the fire mate.  ::)

Yes I agree!

Did you need to-do much work on the PID side of things to run 1.45?  Can you hold it until 6k?

I'm assuming some work will need to be done on the torque side of things to hold the boost high up.

I-part needs some adjustments to cope with the fact that requested boost is elevated quite a bit. You need to allow for larger I-part adjustments basically. Other than that it's usually fine.



Yes.




Well, KFMIRL and KFMIOP needs to adjusted (as always) properly for the increased boost levels but other than that I was surprised at first how straight forward it was.

Grand, thanks for the tips. So apart from expanding the axis/limits of iop and irl did you redo the whole thing or leave it like I've seen in all pro Volvo maps?

if your going to run 1.45 bar i would recommend fixing that IAT correction map so it doesn't creep over 22, wish my turbo was fresh, she runs like 19-20-21 PSI dependant on IAT............ psi and drops off at about 5500 rpm pretty bad...... pretty happy with the power output though tuned a little on the safer side.

After reading the thread again, i really need to start and get my head around ME7.
I have winols (full version) so had best start to id a few maps and go from there i think.

Here's my latest tune

(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww161/jpcurrie/v3.png)

It drops off at the top end, from my other logs (miopt_w etc) it seems that iop/irl is capping load - would that be correct?  Should I be reworking the whole thing or only the high load areas?

You guys having issues with holding boost at high revs... If you turn off the boost deviation monitoring function and then disattach the hose to the wastegate actuator, are you still not hitting high boost levels att higher rpm's? I'm just trying to understand if you are having HW issues or if it is something in your SW that is playing tricks on you.

Hilarious.   I'll not ask you again.

He was asking if your turbos are capable of making more boost at redline, not suggesting you drive around like that.

I see, well I have seen 1.9 bar on my boost gauge with a blown hose before at the readline, no.

I think the K24 should flow enough, don't really know though.

Sorry, you missed my point. I was under the impression that some guys had issues from a hardware point of view when reading this...



This implies that there might be hardware issues with the engine type (in general?) so that was what I was trying to understand as I've never seen any restrictions like this personally. No point in modifying the software if the hardware can't cope with it and if someone (not you in this case) basically says that "my turbo is crap, it won't hold boost properly..." then I couldn't give any hints on fixing that purely with software basically.

Sorry about the confusion.

i think you took what i said the wrong way.....my turbo has had a pretty good size crack in the wastegate housing, been looking for a replacement housing due to the fact the rest of it seems to be performing perfect, but nobody seems to have a blown k24 with a non cracked housing, so i will probably be going the route of a custom turbo hopefully during this winter along with hopefully a few other things.

i thought software might have been my issue in the past but that had been ruled out, timing stays up/ throttle stays open, turbo TCV duty cycle max's out as the boost drops, after fixing wastegate preload the dropoff is not significant, just a few psi.

Yeah... Hard for me to have guessed that.  ;)
(Perhaps I missed it earlier in this thread though...)

i did not realize that cracked housings in these turbos were so common, along with many other internal wastegate turbo's it is unfortunate.

there is a simple rule of thumb:
If the housing is cracked and this crack influences the loss of power, than you can hear the resulting noise for sure!  ;D

the hiss? yeah :-P

anyways, progress was good tonight, KRKTE verified and tested, 20% rich and 20% lean both showed perfectly in fuel trims
also tested NOLRA, disabled adaptions perfectly, i cant wait for my 5th injector to come in, i received only 4 today :-\

this will be great for a friends car also, he is limited by injector at the moment and i do not think any of the regular's tuners offer different injector calibrations.

i will be posting progress soon, i know its nothing new for the audi/vw guys but volvos i do not see it often.

Looking forward to it!

Hi,

Sorry for being abrupt, I thought you were taking the $$$ :D, hope there isn't any hard feelings.

I think this is either an unknown ME7 thing, or the K24 turbo cannot hold 1.4 bar to the redline. I don't have any hardware issues and it is well looked after.  I thought it may have been torque limiting issues but I raised that all last night as a test and confirmed via logging (it was requesting 61 in miopt_w) and it still tailed off.

No idea if mine is cracked, but they all do so it probably is, it's only got 40k miles on it though.  I've got a hybrid 20g sitting right here, waiting to go on :D

My experience say they can with no real issues.


And of course... No hard feelings from my side.  :)

OK, so hardware aside.  Can you give me some clues which would stop it doing so if the issue was software?

I don't want spoonfed, just some clues...

:D

Measure the airmass. Then we will see if the turbo is out of spec.

Boost is irrelevant, airmass defines the right end of a compressor map.

And no, the K24 in the volvo can not hold 1,4bars until redline with only exhaust mods.

Good point!

I have that logged.  I assume breathing mods?

I upped the boost quite a lot last night as a test, this is the log, it's kg/h BTW.

(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww161/jpcurrie/v8maf.png)

You are already overboosting it...

More via mail when i have time.

No problem, yes it was just a test to see how it reacted.

I have flashed back to me tune of 1.25bar  which works nice.

;)Right!
First we need to calculate the engine air flow rate (CFM).  The formula for this is:
CFM = (L x RPM x VE x Pr)/5660
Where L = engine capacity in liters
RPM = engine speed
VE = engine volumetric efficiency.  From A. Graham Bell's book Forced Induction Performance Tuning some good values for VE are:
Stock 2-valve = 85%
Stock 4-valve = 90%
Street modified = 93%
Competition = 105%
Pr = pressure ratio
To calculate the pressure ratio you need to know what boost pressure you want to run and then plug that into the following formula:
                                              Pr = (14.7 + Boost)/14.7
At 1.4 bar and red line (~6500 RPM) S60 2.4T5 need  (2.4 x 6500 x 90 x 2.4)/5660=595 CFM . Max K24 CFM is ~ 550.

Just looked that book up, it's a collectors item!

If this graph is right, and also if I'm reading it right, I'm reaching the choke point of the turbo!

0.2 m3/s = 423.7764 CFM, can't be right surely.

(http://s4wiki.com/images/a/a1/K24-70gga.jpg)

a few others pointed this out to me a while back, and yes indeed we are at the choke.

Not the right map.

Its the one from a 25 year old porsche 4cyl or audi rs2.

Different compressor design today, different numbers also.

Max airflow is a little higher.

I though it looked a bit off, 500+ CFM would sound better.

I'll check some old logs I have. 875 mg/stroke @ 5.750 rpms doesn't really ring a bell as being the absolute maximum the turbo can acheive without exponentially providing hot air per boost. I might remember wrong here (as I tend to do so from time to time  ::) ) but I'll have a look at the logs from a car tuned with basically only 3" exhaust, new IC and a new air filter.

So i have gotten hold of a retainer and spare ECM to expermient with before i mess with my own car. I have my first prototype wired, exept the boot mode thingie. Since the clock is 0200 here im too tired to keep searching for information. Am i required to solder or is the P0L4 wired to one of the socket pins?

Edit: Think i got it sorted. Found a pad between the flash and c167 chip thats connected to P0L.4 through roughly 6Kohm. Put that to GND at pwron and that should put it in boot mode right?

Edit 2: Successfully dumped the ecu and compared to others it looks ok. Should be 2002 Man T5. Can post the file if anyone is interested.

Hello!
In this file can someone confirm that TABGBTS is at the following address:
0x198F2
Thanks!

Please post the original :D

Not sure if there are naming conventions for these bur here it is.
Ill see if i can get the ECM out of my car for a read without the tool.

let me look, i think on those its     19784

free cookie if you help me find mine :)

nevermind i just found it!, btw your stock should be 9E00 let me know if that location is good, im so happy i just found this for later files, its in almost the same spot

Hello, I'll be gettin and 04 s60r 6spd this coming week, commng over from audi game. if anyone needs a tester im here to help out, also if anyone has any info on logging/flashing there cars. I'm good friends with dillenger so give me any ideas how to log and i'll light a fire under his ass to figure shit out.

first thing i would invest in is one of those ebay DICE, flashing these cars is mostly done through bootmode... i use cheap MPPS, but soon to be changing to something more reliable/expensive probably

invest in the ecu removal tool, don't use a coat hanger like i was the first few times :)

19784 its no good ,i found in other files 9E00 but in my file no.
0x198F2 its AA00 ... 800 GradC.

one second sir, let me actually download your file :-P

wow, this is early, tons of maps different, even lamfa is smaller

and found it, your location is correct and it is AA00  .. would have helped if i read that first

yes!!!

Hello everybody!
I am quite new to this wonderful forum and just started to learn about mapping.
I have a 2002 Volvo S80 2,4T (B5244T3 manual) which I was trying to get the flash from the ecm by using MPPS k-line on a bench. The problem is that I managed to read out a file of 512kb but soon realized that it should be 1024kb. I read the ecm one more time and successfully read the hole 29F800BB eeprom but now my car doesn't start.
I got the following error message on DIM: Service required STC.

Probably the file is corrupt in some way and I was wondering if there is any one having a original or tuned file that would fit my car?
Don't know what's wrong. I can still read and write to the ecu on the bench, but the car wont ignite.
The files i managed to read is here:https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kwl3v955q5ckv7c/HmTANKXvHH (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kwl3v955q5ckv7c/HmTANKXvHH)

Would really appreciate if someone could help me out.

Best regards,
Linus from Sweden 

Hi,

This does not look good.  The file is all FF after 7FFFF!!

I don't have a complete match, but I do have a file based on the same layout for a HT engine.

I spliced the missing part from the HT file on-to yours and checksummed.

I have not idea if this will work so try at your OWN RISK :D

Thank you very much!
I am waiting for a new MPPS, mine seems to be a little bit unstable (china clone). I will try your file as soon as the new MPPS arrives.
I don't understand why the file was corrupt. I didn't get any warnings or errors after reading.
When i flash with MPPS, should i go with bosch generic or Volvo S80? Volvo is strangely only 512kb.

Thank you for your help and that you took your time to look at my file.

Use the bosch 1mb.
Did you try and read with that?   It looks like the flash has been overwritten but it could just be a bad read...

looking to pick up a spare ecu incase mine gets botched up, does it have to be another R ecu? whats compatible?

Bosch generic 1Mb work on VOLVO with 1024kb files.

look at the part number on your ECU,
the number on this ecu ends with 7712, this is from an XC70 or something but i just cloned my files onto it and it works perfect

Read somewhere that as long as its the same CAN speed its compatible over the whole range? So i should be able to clone my orginal xxx7712 to the spare xxx7392?

Sorry for 2nd post, couldnt add attachment with edit?

I dumped my V70 B5254T2 2004 Auto, can someone help me verify these locations? Going for stage 1 tune at this moment so these are the 3 ill need as far as i can understand?

LDRXN @ 27D78
KFZW 1-4 @ 111C4

And if someone could point towards KFLDHBN i would be gratefull.

Cheers!

Fredrick, do you have any files for the P80 C70 T5 MAN EU by any chance?

1999 C70 T5 MAN USA

Thanks, I was expecting a 1024kb file?

i'm not sure dream3r, i think all of the 99's i have seen have a 512K 400BB chip

maybe the euro cars are different?

here is a c70 T5 supposedly "tuned", i haven't looked at it, i found it kicking around, check it out if you want

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qtyprmldcp0bb6d/bentuned.bin

I just have one for the automatic I'm afraid.  :-\

That would do!  You don't have an EU S60/V70R file, pre 05 do you?

Here it is. I'll also look for the other file you asked for. As I'm sending this from my phone (out travelling you know) I urge you just to doublecheck the file as I have no winOLS with me.

Thanks the R file would be a godsend tonight :)

;) I foud it!!!
2000 C70 2.3T5 MAN EU

No good!
This file must have 1Mb. Is only half of it.

i know i have it somewhere :-\ one second

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rbjpajen0j1pdek/ben800bb.bin

what about this one? lol, this is from a long time ago

You get the prize - thank you.

Now 250kbps R file .. :D

can 250K R file is what my car runs?

Yeah but you're non EU buddy.

Does anyone have a file that would match my file ?

Did the stupid newbie thing and load out 512kb file and reload it again.


Volvo s60 2.4t 200hk. 2003

Sweden


\\ Fredrik

file upload

I have a problem with RPM limiter on a 2000 Volvo V70 2.0T MAN EU.
I found this limiter (0x11932) and I changed but no effect.
The car has another limitation at 4000 RPM when standing but I have not found it anywhere.
Someone may know where to find these limitations and can help me.

You can try looking at locations 0x11936 and 0x1193C. You are going to have to test it. 0x11936 should be NMAXGE, but the value is 5500RPM. Similarly, 0x1193C is 5000RPM (if it is RPM). I have no clue what it is but it's in the section with all the limiters and it's the lowest value. (NMAXGE shouldn't matter since it's a manual car.) This file is a little different from what I was expecting to find.

shit!, can someone yup load a pic of the boot pin on a s60r ecu real quick!!!!!!!!! like asap please...

There all different, trace it with a multimeter, it'll take like five minutes.

Just ground pin 24 of the PSOP44 flash through a 100ohm resistor. Consistent on every ECU I've seen.

I did that on BMW.....

lol

I think you're talking about the little via pads that are connected directly to P0L.4, right?

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/108416772/VolvoBootPin.jpg)

except siemens  ;)

Has someone attacked that with a hotair station Robert? 

You can see the trace that goes to the pin on the pic, if your ECU is the same that is.

Haha no hot air that I know of. Got it from some junkyard selling on eBay.

Before anyone asks, its 28 on Siemens ;)

robert, or anyone i guess,.... have a method where they can log variables, im planning to run 550 ev14's, and was going to try scanxl to log with an elm cable, anyone have any input on this?

If you have a 2004 or earlier car, you won't be able to log without a combo of a k-line and a can interface. 2005 and up shouldn't be a problem if you have the correct parameters. The way a lot of people do it now is with VIDA and a DiCE. Unfortunately this isn't great for logging data in a tuning-friendly way.

Care to comment, John? ;)

Could someone please give me a hand locating the hex address for the KRKTE in this 2004R6spd file linked blow? really appreciate any input!

Iam looking for boost limiters in my volvo S60 now.

Posting bin file and xdf file.

I have found some maps but iam really new in map searching. i have tuned a lot of aftermarkets ECU. but never really on this level.

Someone who knows the adress?

Yes, variables can be logged via canbus.  As Robert said you need to poll the Kline interface on the pre facelift cars for the CEM to open up it's relays.

The easy way is to use vida, but err its not a very nice way to tune.  I've got a working logger custom written for 05s, but it still needs work and it is also using a fairly expensive dual CAN arm setup.  Also I'm currently researching other methods of obtaining what I need in an effort to increase resolution.  I think its possible to get close or beyond the Audi stuff.  The extremely difficult part is getting all of the variables you need as they vary quite a bit.

I've still not got my head around DPPs and IDA as the Volvo memory layout seems to be different to Audi.  So I'm stuck there.

You're stuck because you can't share any of the information necessary for any real help.

I believe I've made a little bit of progress in this area. I'm sure you've already gotten this far John, but for anyone else who wants to try, here is what I believe to be true.
Volvo uses a different memory layout from Audi. Instead of the BIN section starting at 0x800000, the BIN begins at 0x0 (so you only need to load the original bin file with starting point of 0x0). Similarly Audi's RAM section begins at 0x380000 while Volvo's RAM section begins at 0x300000 (both Audi and Volvo RAM have size 0x10000).
When disassembling, this means it's no longer necessary to split the file into two parts.

Here's a comparison of the DPPs.
Audi
DPP0 = 0x204
DPP1 = 0x205
DPP2 = 0xE0
DPP3 = 0x3

Volvo
DPP0 = 0x4
DPP1 = 0x5
DPP2 = 0xC0
DPP3 = 0x3

Also, the processor type for the Rs is under C166 > C167CS

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I've just begun working on this again.

That's not correct.  I've shared information with quite a few people who knew a bit about IDA and the C166, but unfortunately thy haven't got anywhere, yet.

The fact is some of my info, map locations mainly, not logging, is under an NDA.

Fwiw, the info given should have been enough to crack it but I struck out.  Try and try again as they say, or maybe do it myself.

Funny this i was dumping RAM last night and came to the same conclusion.  But there seems to also be another section of RAM much lower where I think I found knock retard...

Can't remember offhand and I'm away ATM.  Does that ring any bells?

If you could shoot over your IDA DB, maybe we can get this rolling.

But yeah I could dump stuff from 0x3000-0x4000 too.  There's also some stuff hidden from DHA that I found, different read record stuff but still trying to work out what it is.

Does anyone have a list of me7 ecu requests?  Example is read data by identifier and the like...

I'd be happy to send over my IDA DB. Before I do that though, I want to redo it. I started analyzing with the C167CR variant instead of the C167CS. I got them confused in my head when I did it late at night. haha

Any chance you can log a memory address and see what info is there, when you get a chance? I believe 0x30022F is some kind of ignition angle, but I have no way to test it, right now. As you know, my car is super extra out of commission for a little while longer! lol

Also, the lower section of RAM that you see is the XRAM from this processor. It is usually accessed with DPP3.

I'm guessing my tune will be jumbled from yours?  But yeah I can do that.  I suppose I could flash your us file its a facelift mt?

This is exciting, I didn't have anything on DPPs just my RAM discovery last night.  I can dump 255 bytes at a time which appears to be a limit with the read memory by address service.

Hmmmm, makes sense.  So forgive me, these variables only exist in the xram? The purpose of this?  Faster, priority?  Or?

Of course! I completely forgot about the file.
This is the one I'm using.
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4530.0;attach=7726

Cool, will flash it and run it and log it.  Might take a day or so though as I'm away with the Mrs.

How many bytes? Do you want a log with other variables at the same time?

XRAM is faster and contained within the C167. Main code section shouldn't begin until 0x10000 I believe.

I believe it's only one byte. Factor is likely 0.75. I don't have any other RAM variables to log right now, but it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to log the real target ignition angle along with it, for comparison.

I think the only one I have is the output angle zwout?  But yeah I can do that.  I suppose this ram location I have old confirm the dpp3 setting? 

If I'm right about what I found last night I'll have the ram locations for all software versions for about 13 variables, potentially a huge discovery.  It was like 2am though so it all needs tested.

It's the ignition angle identifier I mean...

So are you basing the theory on the factor used in the assembly ?  Or are you following what you hope is mbas or something?

I'm using the theory that most of the units of gradKW are 0.75. ;) Total guesswork!

Lol, good old trial and error huh.  Story of my life !! :)

Trial and error is the best way! I think you'll like my latest project. I haven't shared it with anyone yet. Do you have a BitBucket account?

Nope, because I just had to google it!!!  Can do though.

Ok, got one, usual details.

Just added you to the repo! I'll upload a test exe to the main directory so you can try it out.

Executable added under the downloads section.

Cool will check it out.   Nice.

Funny enough I wrote a function to find the a2l yesterday it looks very different.   You can tell I'm old school C Haha.

A1 No Operation Performed (keep alive)
A3 Security Access Mode
A5 Read Current Data By Offset
A6 Read Current Data By Identifier
A7 Read Current Data By Address
A8 Set Data Transmission
A9 Stop Data Transmission
AA Dynamically Define Record
AB Read Freeze Frame Data By Offset
AC Read Freeze Frame
AD Read Freeze Frame By DTC
AE Read DTC
AF Clear DTC

B0 Input Output Control By Offset
B1 Input Output Control By Identifier
B2 Control Routine By Offset (Activation)
B4 Define Read Write ECU data
B8 Write Data Block By Offset
B9 Read Data Block By Offset
BA Write Data Block By Address
BB Read Data Block By Address

Thanks Bent,
 
Sorry,  I meant sub commands.   There are a few in the AA section for example and they're not documented in DHA.

AA30 is one.   I wondered if a vag list would help.

Example:

7a aa 00 clear list of all identifiers
7a aa 01 specify record offset
7a aa 20 10 5a append record identifier 10 5a
7a aa 21 10 7b append record identifier 10 7b

7a a6 f0 00 01 read dynamic record #1 send record once
7a a6 ef ff 01 read dynamic record #2 send record once

But it's easier to just read the records directly:

7a a6 10 5a 01
7a a6 10 7b 01
or
7a a6 10 60 01 (real ignition angle)

List of identifiers. 1999-2004 I believe.

04 is a shitter, now i see why everyone wants 05-07.....its like me5.92 in my a4 all over again *face palm*

Thanks!  Yeah its easier reading the identifier but I'm looking to increase speed significantly. Prj gave me a good idea but I need to map the memory out to make it work,  hence IDA.   

Great list, yeah definitely pre facelift P2 commands.

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q283/xtiz/boostmap_zpsfd9c3dfd.jpg) (http://s139.photobucket.com/user/xtiz/media/boostmap_zpsfd9c3dfd.jpg.html)

Maybe this is the boostlimiter in my file from Volvo s60 2.4t. ?

This bin file is from local Volvo dealer yesterday.

(http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q283/xtiz/boostlimiter_zps3caefe0c.jpg) (http://s139.photobucket.com/user/xtiz/media/boostlimiter_zps3caefe0c.jpg.html)

Adress 0x1BCD0

boost limiter?

read up on http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Tuning

very good info

Very good info. I have a lot of work in front of me.

I was thinking on KFLDHBN.

yes that does look like KFLDHBN

if your starting out with tuning, find maps for a stage 1 to start

KFLDRX also known as LDRXN
KFZW
LAMFA
KFLBTS

thanks mate.

just what i am looking for. :) 


My goal is bigger turbo and injector. But big work whit an xdf file before i can do all that.

For the moment just stage 1 is better than nothing :D

Hi everyone,
I wanted to share a version of prj's AutoIt script that I modified to work on Volvo BIN files.
This helps setup the file in IDA for disassembly. Have fun!
https://github.com/guitar24t/VolvoDisassemblyHelper

To anyone using my checksum utility, it just received a major update.
It will now monitor a directory and auto update bin files with incorrect checksums. Also has an option to run on startup.
Thanks!
Download is on GitHub. Here's the link for convenience:
https://github.com/guitar24t/VolvoME7ChecksumUpdater

I can verify the DPP settings.  I'm finding most of the functions and maps now.

This is exciting days.  I can foresee custom code not being too far away.

I've found the read data by identifier function in my bin file, it seems Audi don't use this much but Volvo do.  I might not be too difficult to use this function to return any RAM data/add my own identifier.  Maybe mapping the RAM and outputting that would be better though.

One good thing about that service, it's consistent between years so code could be written to output a RAM map for any Volvo bin file ;)  This RAM map could be fed in-to a CAN logging app

Thanks for publishing this guitar24t, I feel like I might lose my whole December now :)

Does anyone know much about PROKONAL bitmasks?  I think I translated that function last night, but the bitmask seems different to VAG.  I assume that they are platform/implementation independent?

Exciting days for Volvo geeks like me :)  And thanks to my obsessive brain I'm getting the hang of ASM quick.

RAM (including registers like DPP) can be read with A7 command.
E000-10000 and 300000-320000

I'll need to retest but I don't think my ECU lets me read xram with that command.

Someone please help me found LDRXN and KFLDIMX in this file.??

Really need help whit this. =)

/ Fredrik

KFLDRX 267B6
KFLDIMX 268B6

Could anyone please help me find the KRKTE in this file???

Thanks to all that help one another out!

Many thanks. Now i got boost =)

I'm sure most of you have this already, but I either haven't found it, or it hasn't been posted.

thanks alot. this helps a ton

I believe this is the same file posted here (converted into ols).
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=340.msg46737#msg46737

It is, but there was no bin posted with that a2l.

Yeah, it went with the bin a couple posts earlier.
Nice for people to have the ols format now, anyway.

Just to clarify, this is for a 2000 V70R?

S70R/V70R I think but not 100%.  It's definitely the older P80 platform, ME7.0

I'm looking to tune a 2001 P2 with ME7.0x.

In comparing to the B6284T bins posted earlier on, it appears to be quite a good match.

ME7.01 that will be.

KFLDRX also known as LDRXN is that an 1x16 map or 6x16?

can only find 6x16. Someone plz?

1x16 (LDRXN) in older cars, 6x16 in newer...

Thanks. seems that i have the right then.

I have tunad a lot of Saab Trionic system so this one is new to me.

I have´t figurid out have its works.

I understand that i need to request moore boost and so on. but i dont know how to adjust LDXRN. Can someone explain ?

Iam from sweden if oyu wonder why my english i so bad.


Thanks for reply.

Mvh Fredrik

wrong file

I believe this is for a 2000 V70 T5 Manual with a B5234T3 engine. The R's of that year came with a B5244T2.

I'm about to try modifying my car. It's a 2004 2.5 LPT.
Original both lamfa and kflbts table all lamda 1.
Due to increased boost should i set kflbts 0,89-ish in higher load scenarios?
Also kfzw 1 and 2 anyone have any recommendation on initial changes?
What's the best way to log? I have access to vida and dice. Or does me7logger work well on the Volvos?

Thanks in advance

Hello,

About your other question, ldrxn, read the wiki it will tell you everything you need to know.

First of all careful with your block it's 83mm bore and those are well known for splitting liners.

You'll be able to log basic parameters (realtime only) with VIDA, and no ME7L won't work at all.

With that block it might be an idea to start with a factory S60R kfzw/wop and go from there.  If you look in the original files section you'll find the file from my 2005 S60R.

Thanks. Yeah R parameters should probably be a good baseline. I'm thinking I probably shouldn't boost more than  .7 bars and I think kfldhbn will limit to just that.
I've got the basic hang of adjusting ldrxn. Kfmirl seems to be calibrated up to 166, more than enough. Anything else worth considering?

My advise is to go through the wiki :)

What turbo do you have?

Not entirely shure but i think its either Mitsu 13C or 13G, ive tried to find out what their differences are. But havent found anything other than .9 - 1 bar seems to be the limit.
Im not aiming for the sky performancewise, its a learning project.

I had 13g in my mind as I typed my reply.

Good luck :)

My advice is only to make changes to the software that you fully understand, so start small and slowly build your tune up, understanding changes made in each FR function before you change anything.

The wiki gives a great launchpad for the basic changes, then dive in-to the Audi /Alfa FR's which can be found on here for anything not in the wiki that you would like to change.

BTW, the map LDRXN doesn't existing in P2 Volvo files, it's KFLDRX and it has an extra input variable, lamsons_w ;)

It is a 13T.

If your KFLBTS is all 1.0,then its not KFLBTS.

I thought it was kinda wierd at the moment, but didn't give much thought, might remember it wrong though. I posted my file on page 18 and my system is down atm. Could a kind soul help check it out and verify some maps? I would be very much grateful.

Dream3R I would never think of changing anything unless I'm sure. Learned that the hard way.

Has anyone found %BBBO to exist in Volvo files?

Yes, I need a 01 S60 T5 Auto LPT model please,

thanks,

JZW

Robert found $BBM the other day. He was so excited.

I saw the guy asking for krkte in the 04 S60R file. Has anyone found this map location? I saw one file where it was guessed to be in the same mapping loaction as the V70 mapping, but after making a change, no fuel trim changes were noted for larger injectors.

Anyone have an idea on the KRKTE location on the 04 KRKTE location?

thanks,

JZW

It's in a few different places in the earlier files,  I think I've spotted it in at least three different.

The only real way without a2ls is disassembly.  You'll need to find KVB as well unless you want your customers to have hybrid gas mileage. :-)

Robert?   I came to the conclusion %BBBO doesn't exist,  can't imagine BlackBerry Messenger does either :-)

In this context it means Big Black Meatstick.

You can imagine his excitement :o

As for JZW, your file resembles the 05's more than it does the 04. It looks to be shortly after FKKVS.

How quaint,  I think the humour is lost on me as I'm English :-)

He said he tried there, aka the ME9 spot.

I looked at his file, it's there.

You are correct, we have tried the one location below kflbts and it did not seem to be correct.

You are correct, I posted an 05 S60R file. I did not want to post the actual file as it was modified by someone.

Here is the actual 04 file I have in question. Willing to pay for this KRKTE address if someone can help me.

thanks,

John

That file is modified, but a bit strangely.

Yes, that is why I did not want to post it originally. Its not running too well. Its a known tuner.

Would like to pull file once I can get some help :-)

Yes, Tuner doesnt like safety and has no clue on Volvo Torque structure...

They are trying to tune a larger than stock turbo, but have seen quite a few tunes from this tuner and the only two things changed in the tunes I have seen before are kfldrx and lamfa and that is it !  No Kfmirl or Kmiop at all...

Larger Turbo? Funny. I have around 60 Maps plus curves changed for that usualy.

Damn. Im doing too much. Ldrxn should be enough as i see now :)

kfmirl is changed but not iop,also much more wrong :)

There's also an unknown to me map changed in LDRLMX I found it in the asm but have no idea what it's called.

Yup, that is all you  need, KFLDRX and a little fuel is all you need :-)  No timing or kmiop or PID needed, they just rock and roll when the boost it put through the roof. They guys said, we get an overboost code, can you turn that off for us :-)

I hope that there is a good supply of 2.5L blocks in the states ;)

I will get it under control. Got my PID boost mapping now and will probably fly out and custom tune the car.

Bring it up slowly :-)

Attempting to read off of a spare ECU via Galletto 1260 in boot mode, however I'm running into one specific issue: "boot mode not active".

I have the software and driver installed on a Windows XP machine. I've tried uninstalling the drivers and rebooting numerous times.

The ECU is from a 2001 S80.

I'm curious about the specific setup you have used to get into boot mode with your bench rigs.

I've tried the setup on the bottom in this picture here: http://wiki.obdtuning.com/images/e/e8/AudiPorscheSeatSkodaVAGME7.jpg

Instead of pin 2, A53, a54. Ground
Instead of pin 43, b22. K line
Instead of pin 3, b11. +12VDC
Instead of pin 62, b37 +12VDC switched
Instead of pin 21, b38 ground of engine control relay coil

What I'm thinking I may not be doing correctly would be the 5k resistor on the boot pin, and the immobilizer signal. What I've tried is +12V on pin B45 which is described as "Fuel Pump activation control signal" which is from the CEM.

I just power it all at once. I've never simulated ignition on any ecu, and I've never used a resistor (save for the CAN ME7.1.1's).

2002-2006:

(http://i.imgur.com/kSlBDzK.jpg)

1999-2001:

(http://i.imgur.com/RxTcQLl.jpg)

Is that ignition to A29?

The standard boot mode procedure of shorting pin 24 of eprom still applies?

Never made Volvos ME7, but galletto and I have serious issues when trying to make boot work lol ;D

Same procedure as VAG for bootmode, hasn't failed me yet. Granted, I've only done 3.

My 1260 isn´t so easy... i use MPPS with sucess everytime

Anyone tuning Volvos these days?  :D

Me! Me! Pick me!

Me too. Trying my best to understand this sorcery

Good to hear. I just got myself a "new" car and will be digging into that one shortly. A Leon Cupra 2.0T. Seems like a nice ride, I've only had it for one day.  :D

You had it for a whole day and haven't tuned it yet?! :O

 ;D

Not yet, but I have started looking for all the part numbers on the fuel injectors, the air mass meter, fuel pump and so on to get an idea where the first bottle neck is. I just squeezed my 2-channel temperature probe before and after the intercooler and that will probably have to be upgraded as well in due time.


Btw, who came up with the brilliant idea of integrating the exhaust manifold with the turbine housing? :)

I think your conclusion will be HPFP and IC upgrades to begin with :)

Seems like it...  :-\

Disagree, can be tuned to quite good power on stock hardware.

Anyone have a US spec 2004 S60R Auto file?

Thanks!

It can, it depends on your goals I guess. Boosting 1.7 and over, you will have lean spots around 4k even if you increase fuel pressure on the stock pump. Talking K04 here.

Sorry for the OT. Will check for S60R file  :P

I was thinking along the lines of 400 hp or something like that.

Hi to all,
After reading this thread carefully twice and also S4Wiki, I made a file for my 2004 S60R. It is stock hardware with only upgraded catback.
I have loaded this mod file and there is definitely improvement, although I feel should be smoothed further.

Here is enclosed the .ols project, any advice/clues for improving this stage 1 will be highly appreciated.

Does anyone know the map name / purpose from 1E886 ? I have compared R-file with T5-file and in the R-file is clearly higher, but have no damos for this software version neither for something close.

Thanks in advance

First thing I noticed was LDRXN (or whatever it was called) is stock. Fueling is also stock.
I don't understand how does the car feel faster..

Can anybody please explain the torque model on these R's? I mean especially KFMIRL and KFMIOP. How do people go about tuning these maps?

1E886:  you don't have to concern yourself with, it's to-do with cam angles.

I'm not sure what you are doing with the MAF maps, what is your line of thinking there?

Your kfzw maps don't look right.

Im not near my computer atm, but if i remember correctly, KFZW maps were offset a bit. Location was correct if I remember correctly. Also those maps are signed.

There's one in the ori files section, iirc, krazybiker...

edit:  ooops, iirc he's MT :)

boost map is modified, we're you looking at the tuned file?

Agreed, one I tuned recently on stock hardware, but with it's DP decatted made 355 bhp.  IAT's were high though.

Now I might've been wrong previously. I'll recheck later.

Today will be some data logging, I am slightly concerned about the fuelling on my mod1, as in this file the LAMFA is Winols greyed out (I guess outside the checksum area). Will post results later

Do not copy anything from other tunes if you do not understand changes!!
You can make small changes and log to find the best timing for your boost, fuelling and other car/setup/location specific variables.

IMHO you are wrong. Tuning is not about using aged not working properly sensors and readjusting their linearisations by few percents here and there. If your MAF is faulty buy new genuine one! You should not change any "calibration" maps if they do not reflect hardware changes and as we are talking about Stage 1 tune you should just leave them stock.

MAF is used for fuelling to be exact as requested by the ECU. Having MAF maps off makes just bigger LTFT.

Still I'm seeing KFLDRX and KFLDHBN are stock. Comparing with my stock defined file, I see no difference there?
Help me out here. I don't want to think I'm blind.

KFZW maps should start from 113C8 for the first one. The rest should be adjusted same way.

You're looking at the wrong file then.

Another note about this file it's a very early version, I'd hunt down a newer 04 file, or get a dealer upgrade then tune..

Thanks dream3r,
That was exactly what I thought, since I got the car it never felt smooth enough with the throttle response, and although just started learning petrol ECUs, just by comparing to newer version files found on this thread I could easily say maps there look smoother so should the drive too.
By the way the dash boost gauge you implemented is awesome idea and great work. Have you started doing this for customers, I want one indeed.

Thanks! I figured out my mistake already. How stupid can one be... (:

Yeah I think it might be the first ever bin for the R but not sure.   They upped the boost a bit of the later files as well. There's a US spec file on here that is 4 years newer than yours ;-)

The DIM Boost gauge is only in my car I started developing a dual can version but development has stalled as I've been too busy to work on it. I'll probably go back to it soon.

Thanks :-)

I wondered that,  lol, thought I was going mad earlier.

I can post my original bin. I have EU spec 04 R. I have the latest ECM upgrade installed.

Just have to wait a little. Im at work right now. Once I get home, I'll post the file.

Diesels are possible, but we'll need to disassemble the files and figure out the logging mechanism and functions in order to gleam the right data.

I think that it's a worthy exercise for sure, pm me your email addy.

I hope this is the right one

Many many thanks :)

Is anyone using an emulator in Volvo land?

Robert is.

Really? Whats needed to make this happen?

A Moates roadrunner and a byteswap board, or some way to byteswap in software.

And a way to disable checksums.

it seems to work pretty good!, the only issues i have run into are restarting the vehicles, takes a few key cycles, no big deal, also when changing things and driving i have had issues with adaptions, even when just clearing them through VIDA was not enough, had to pull fuses to fix it

Hi guys, i need a big help to fix my car and understand what i must to do, here is the specifications...and pictures / and the description what i do it wrong:P
Volvo XC70 2002
Engine: B5244T3   2.4T   147 kw
Gearbox: MANUAL

ECU: 0261207392 / 08627757 / HS.2
hw: 0261204559  sw: 1037359462
FLASH: AM29F800BB  this 1mb flash if i know good.

MPPS: V12.01  sw: V12.0.0.6

ok, what is happened, i just leave the ECU on the car, and started the app, whan asked, I put the pin 24 to ground, power on, after 5 sec take of the pin 24, then ok... the mpps read out the flash 512kb what i send to tuners, received the tuned file, also 512kb, then without problem i write back the new file into ECU, after this the car won't start...then i write back the origi file and the same shit, the car won't start.
after when i read many forum i see some similar car have the same ECU and part nr. and have 1mb flash file
i have 512kb origi and tuned file, and one similar 1mb
the problem is, i cant write in the 1mb file, when i select and hit the write the app say File Length Error:

so, what i can do now, what is wrong?
interesting, can be only 512kb software in 29f800 flash and the car use only 512kb?
and my 2002 xc70 with this ECU which software must to be 512kb or 1024? i read some elder models have 512kb and newer 1024....
or whan i write in the new file the immo turned on?
Every help welcome!!
http://puu.sh/9v0jV/3403981845.jpg
http://puu.sh/9v0gH/94f6b64f15.jpg
http://puu.sh/9v0ga/fd6a698ca8.jpg
http://puu.sh/9v0hD/662ba29fdb.jpg
http://puu.sh/9v0hY/d0d5ba9863.jpg

It sounds like you only read 512k of the 1mb file and have lost the original 1mb file. You will need to find a 1mb ori or visit your Volvo dealer for an ecm reload.

I have one 1mb file with similar spacifications, and when i opened with hexeditor, after 80000 is empty... from 80000 to 100000 olny FFFFFFFFF no data
here is my file end
http://puu.sh/9v4YQ/e1b9245d9f.png
and the file from S80 2.4T with similat engine and ECU
http://puu.sh/9v5ln/841910ec41.png
but i cant write in the 1mb
the app say file length error:(

Yes. You need to use generic driver for 1M flash in MPPS.

Oh, generic driver? How you understand this, different windows driver? I use win 7 64 bit. Thanks for the answer!

He just meant driver within MPPS software - just select Generic as a car make...

Tested with all bosch generic volvo models with me7 and nothing, file length error. Strange.

Which MPPS version are you using?

MPPS V12.01 this is the last model...

It is not newest (as 13.02 is available from far east) but it should be new enough.

I think that you have to desolder flash, reprogram it using external programmer and resolder.

Yes, and because he is capable of doing that he just destroyed his ecu with chinese clone and zero knowledge... :)

(In case someone missed it: i put some irony above ;) )

I had two chinese MPPS cables gives me issue, I ended up getting a good FTDI cable and making galetto work when needed .............. either way you can probably get it running with a similar file and goto volvo to get a reload if you cannot find an original

If the flash itself is destroyed, then you need to desolder and change. Otherwise you should be able to write via bootmode, even if the flash is empty.

Not generic Volvo driver - just Generic 1M (or 29F800, don't remember how the menus looks like right now)

(Having that said, newest MPPS had problems with ME7 Volvo, and I have reported it to AMT. I had to use another tool to program it)

V70R 2004.
Just shy of 450 bhp on the wheels. (Corresponds to about 500 on the crank shaft I guess)
Running on E85, 875 cc/min Siemens injectors, larger turbo among other things. Decent performance in an ordinary family car I think.

(http://www1.garaget.org/archive/163/162804/251320/251320-3416463.jpg)

Nice! What turbo you have got there? Do you use E85 daily or do you have another file for pump gas?

I have also ordered larger injectors and thought about going this route. What injectors do you have?

Again respect!

Not my car.
E85 is a standard fuel in Sweden. A couple of years ago E85 was introduced nationally and most gas stations offer it.
The "good" thing is that it costs about 35% less than regular petrol but the consumption isn't increased that much (due to the lower energy content in ethanol) so it's actually cheaper to run the car on E85 than on regular petrol as well. As a bonus, E85 contains oxygen and is very resistant to spontanious self combustion (knocking/pinging) so much power is to be gained using more agressive ignition timing compared to petrol.

Even though it is in Swedish, I'm sure you can pick up some info in the link below:
http://www.garaget.org/?car=251320

thanks! google translate helps :)

Sweet, did autotech tune it?

I'm hoping for 420 BHP with my build.

It seems that autotech tuned it yes.

Dream3r, have you decided on the turbo yet? I saw somewhere that you thought about going with Cavalli?

Nice figures indeed! E85 is da shit. I advanced ignition 12 degrees on my 1.8T after conversion, and you can actually make them go very economical if you lean them out a bit. Just having my fingers crossed that the Swedish government decide to keep the fuel....You never know..

Hi all,
Got my "new" car working, took only 2 months. Replaced all sensors twice and in the end it was only a wrongly set VVT wheel by the previous owner. Now it desperately needs more boost  ;D.

C70 2.0LPT (B5204T4 163hp) MY 2000 manual originally bought in Italy. ECM software attached (got it in boot mode). I have a spare ECM that has cloned immo eeprom for testing. Anyone willing to help me get to Stage 1?

More boost! Checksum ok!

OMG. Have to go to sleep now but will test tomorrow. Is there anything else to tweak? Is this going to break my engine?  :)

Thank you, more boost achieved ;D. How high did you set the boost limit? With factory adjusted wastegate actuator it boosted a little over 0.7 bar and everything worked fine (original software was somewhere under 0.5 bar). Then we tightened the actuator and it went up to 1.1bar but the engine seemed to limit the torque, maybe knocking? Next we loosened the actuator bit by bit but there was still hesitation between 3000 and 4000 rpm when accelerating uphill. Knocking? Maybe ignition and fuel maps should be adjusted to make it work with higher boost.

But oh my god it went fast with 1.1 bar :D. Glad we are still alive.

Don't mess with the actuator. If you want more boost, tell the ECU to give you more boost and change other maps accordingly. Otherwise you may knock and risk running lean.

:)limit set to 0.73 bar.
A new file with 0.9 bar. Please set the actuator a little tight from the initial position.

That's the plan, just waiting on it being ready.

Is this safe? Should the fuel and timing maps be changed as well?

Fuel yes ,timing no (not to much but it's safe ,ME7.0 taking care of your engine .... smart ECU.... especially with the ignition).Try it! ;)

I have an 04 S60R.... i trying to read the ECU. im not the original owner of the car. brought it used. But its believed to have an ARD tune on it. Im waiting on a call back from ARD to see if they have a way of telling if it was tuned or not.

Now im currently using Nefmoto Flasher and Ross-Tech vag-com cable (in dumb mode) to try and read ECU. everything connects just fine at the Address 0x11 but i have not be able to successfully read the ECU. A couple things happen....

1. as soon as i begin the read (full read) process, a window pops up saying something about "unknown preconditions not met 4 and 5"
2. then it says "read unsuccessful

So im trying to figure out what the deal is. i've been on here the last couple days trying to find some mention of it before posting asking, but had no luck. Anyone ever have this? Im also wondering if there is a possibility that the ARD tune may be causing the issue??

Post up any thoughts please, thanks.

Bootmode read with galletto.

thanks. am i going to need another interface other than the Rosstech? or just the software?

i believe the ross tech cable will work, look for the galleto thread somewhere, it says what to do with that cable and how to make it work

edit, found it http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3088.0

Had to tighten the actuator a bit to get to 0.9 bar. Works ok except there are some hiccups near 3000 rpm. It happens more often in higher gears. Is there a torque limiter or does the boost rise too quickly or what could it be? I can feel some vibration and maybe hear something and acceleration stops for a split second and then it continues. I think I have felt the same in some other car when traction control kicks in.

if it is overboosting, it will get that feeling of cutting back, if its severe, it will cut throttle... rumbling? like misfiring?! no, how many miles are on your spark plugs?

Typically the ignition coils are going bad sooner or later and this will cause the engine to behave like this when combustion pressure reaches its peak. Change them all or go cheap and buy one new coil and switch positions of it until the problems disappear given that there is just one coil that is bad.

Ok, so it could be an ignition issue. Spark plugs are new. I replaced also the coils with used ones, resistance was ok on all of them. The coil connector wires look very bad near the plug, maybe I should fix those first. Maybe it was a little worse when it was raining so that could very well be the problem. I could also try to log it in Vida.

Thanks for your help!

Just checking in on here. What's new with anyone? Any news/new projects?

Does this count?

 ;D

(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww161/jpcurrie/5120.png)

Very cool. Not enough boost though... :)

That was the stock boost mapping but with the 5120 mod :)  My god a stock S60R is slooow.

And I managed to break pu_w in that graph too so it was a little unhappy.   ::)

Agree, my old D5 running decent remap keeps up with my stock R :)

I shifted my attention to japanese cars with Denso systems, like Mitsubishi / Mazda Commonrail diesels, not much info for them around. Especially Toyota D4D, lots of them on the road and nobody remaps these. Anyone came across these and willing to invest some time ? If yes we will open new topic and I will share my experience so far with the current projects I have.

very good work on 5120 man!, hopefully you get to put it to work soon with a good turbo!

I wish I had this sorted out on my old car as the hardware could take more boost than what I could manage in my software.
I'm sure that you will push beyond 400 horses with no issues...  ;D

Hi to all, would someone give a clue for the nobs like me, in regards to this 5120 mod. Obviously the req boost is perfectly followed, but what's the real goal by achieving this.
Thanks in advance

The purpose is to be able to boost more than 1.5 bar of turbo pressure, and that is not possible with stock HW and SW.

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.0title=

Many thanks, appreciated

Well it would have been extremely easy compared to the hell I went though.  Your file matched the A2L exactly iirc, mine did not match it except for a few functions.  Plus you would of had all of the variables needed.

Agreed, it would have been straightforward, sold the car a bit too soon though.

That's a pity!!

Here is a log picture from last night.

(http://i716.photobucket.com/albums/ww161/jpcurrie/v8_2.png)

Runs out of breath quite rapidly.  :-\
Ideally with that engines VE over the rpm range, you probably would want to have it the other way around.  ;)

I'm pretty sure it feels like a diesel now.  ;D

That's the stock turbo and it was a spike during tuning.   The graph serves a purpose in showing ps_w etc being rescaled and logged.   With the new turbo it should pull harder up top ;)

I'm absolutely cartain it will.  ;)