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« Reply #2655 on: August 26, 2024, 01:43:08 PM »

Anyone know If a stage1 .bin exists anywhere for an 04 S60R with the aw55. Would really appreciate it, if someone could share it with me. So far I've only found  a BSR tune for manual.
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« Reply #2656 on: August 27, 2024, 01:47:10 AM »

ME7 измеряет все в наполнении, а не наддуве. Если у тебя мотор 2.3 литра, то наполнение для той же мощности должно быть выше. К тому же, нужно измерить фактический уровень наддува и желаемый. Отсюда и плясать. А вообще, для 19 турбины нужно поправить карты KFLDRX, KFLDIMX и карты буст контоллера KFLDRQx.

It is originally a 2.5T, And I used the maps from a 2.5R so fill/load should be the same.
Biggest difference between the original files was how they had scaled the load numbers but I will check these maps and then install a boost gauge
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« Reply #2657 on: August 30, 2024, 12:55:44 PM »

Back on the topic of automatic transmissions, is there anyone that can log his AW55 transmission, specifically the torque limitation request (param request A5 13) and tell me how much limitation you are getting, because during shifts I am getting very huge torque limits during each shift, and I wanted to know what the normal values are.

For instance, my AW55 transmission issues a total reduction to 75nm between 2-3 shift(and I have seen as low as 50), for a duration of 450 milliseconds. Because of these huge huge reductions, my shifts are terrible. I have a feeling that when the gearbox is deciding to shift, it is first trying to prime various hydraulics before initiating the torque limitation request, and the feedback from the main solenoids is what gives it information of where in the process it is.

Since I have probed various internal memory structures not previously documented you will have to bear with me. In the image below you can see the F0 memory address which is the first address to get updated signaling the intent of the logic in the TCM to upshift, in this case 102 is 3rd gear so 2nd to 3rd.



From then on we can see that about 500ms later, the TCM has decided that for the 2nd to 3rd gear upshift, the torque will be limited to 75nm.



Then if we scroll to my log further down to where the limit is back to normal, we can see the limit was even reduced further, not by much but reduced. If we calculate the duration from the timestamps, it was fast, 430ms, but the torque reduction is still felt.



Of course someone will say, that is fast, but I can give logs where shifts happened much slower, a torque reduction for a duration of 1.5-2 full seconds. As you know from newton's laws, every action has an opposite and equal reaction. As the engine produces torque propelling the car forwarc, the engine itself wants to move backwards. In normal operation you won't notice this, but imagine you are accelerating and your gearbox shifts and reduces torque a lot, your engine will now rock backwards and forwards for a moment.

I just want to know what a good shifting AW55 does to the torque limits when shifting, so I can further understand it.
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« Reply #2658 on: August 31, 2024, 03:38:39 AM »

The gearbox will shift without any torque intervention at all, it will just take longer.
More torque intervention = shift is faster because synchronization takes less time.

You can also increase the ramp up speed to target pressure in the gearbox and the actual shift pressure, but without damos for similar box it will be difficult to find.
Then if you reduce the torque intervention after that the shift will be about the same speed but with much less power being cut during the shift.

It helps to understand the basic of how things work Smiley
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« Reply #2659 on: August 31, 2024, 01:23:38 PM »

Anyone know If a stage1 .bin exists anywhere for an 04 S60R with the aw55. Would really appreciate it, if someone could share it with me. So far I've only found  a BSR tune for manual.
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« Reply #2660 on: September 01, 2024, 05:02:11 AM »



Thank you very much. Smiley
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« Reply #2661 on: September 01, 2024, 09:36:24 AM »

The gearbox will shift without any torque intervention at all, it will just take longer.
More torque intervention = shift is faster because synchronization takes less time.

You can also increase the ramp up speed to target pressure in the gearbox and the actual shift pressure, but without damos for similar box it will be difficult to find.
Then if you reduce the torque intervention after that the shift will be about the same speed but with much less power being cut during the shift.

It helps to understand the basic of how things work Smiley
You are right, much of the operation is still not clear to me, I was looking for specific materials on how the shifting process begins, specifically for the Aisin 5-speed gearbox. However my transmission is a bit different in that it has mechanical wear, so it's not shifting the same compared to a well taken care of transmission. In fact, I might be replacing it in the near future, but I wanted more information to compare how the shifting process is compared to a decently working and well shifting AW55. I have flushed it many times to get it working well, I've added Lubeguard too. I've even modified the adaptations with custom values to see how the shift process is affected.

As you know, I have not needed DAMOS before to figure out things, it just takes more time. I have identified quite a few important maps already in the TCM. Once I get an SBL or write my own, I can tweak the things I have identified.
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« Reply #2662 on: September 07, 2024, 08:21:32 AM »

50QKHJ version with 5120 hack can has some errors. This is file for prefacelift cars. Can be found manual and automatic versions.
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« Reply #2663 on: September 08, 2024, 11:28:14 AM »

One issue was found. Incorrect substraction of fuel pressure from scaled down manifold pressure. Same code changes should be done as for 50WRHJ software. 16 bit values at addresses 0x83314, 0x83390 and 0x833A2 should be halfed. And axis of map FRLFSDP should be halfed too. After these changes fr_w and frX_w values are as on stock file.
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« Reply #2664 on: September 15, 2024, 11:40:43 AM »

Hello I am new here. I was looking for a logging software called "Open Moose". On its github it said that the software will be pushed in this forum but I haven't found it yet. Any clues? Or what other software do you use? Thanks Cheesy
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« Reply #2665 on: September 16, 2024, 02:02:26 PM »

Does anyone have logging parameters for 20kthj?
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« Reply #2666 on: September 18, 2024, 01:09:49 AM »

Advanced and sportmode flag for 50WRHJ software. This flag is set when sportmode or advanced mode is activated - word_FD26.11
It sets when TCM sends 2 to 0x30150E byte.
If anybody wants to check car's VIN then this value is stored from 0x303198 addr. 17 symbols.
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« Reply #2667 on: September 20, 2024, 11:33:12 AM »

Hello I am new here. I was looking for a logging software called "Open Moose". On its github it said that the software will be pushed in this forum but I haven't found it yet. Any clues? Or what other software do you use? Thanks Cheesy

Can download at openmoose.net
I've also got some 50wrhj and 50gphj multi map via cruise files if you want them.
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« Reply #2668 on: October 05, 2024, 04:00:56 PM »

Hello all. Have someone xml file for logging parameters for S60r tf80 EU? I think it 50wrhj72wra
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« Reply #2669 on: October 06, 2024, 11:25:47 AM »

Ok, so there is this book which only a select few Volvo forum members have that has a complete power flow diagram of the AW55 vb. With that said I can continue with my analysis.

So the NA engines had a firmware that seems to use the Electronic Throttle for torque reduction, it's even in the flags "USE_ETH_TRQ_LIM", this is in contrast to the turbo variants (especially those in 2007 and above) that have it set as "NOT_ETH_TRQ_LIM" So when the gearbox is shifting it using the Torque Limit signal vs Torque Control. Furthermore some of the NA engines continued to use Magnetti Marelli for their throttle unit. This signal means that the ECM will use both ignition control and throttle to limit torque.

So a low powered car had a more nuanced(read overpowered) torque reduction than a turbo powered variant with more torque output. Was the Bosch ECM control over ignition and throttle that much more superior than Denso for a measly 220 newtons? Or did Volvo just want the turbo automatics to break down faster?

In my previous posts months ago I mentioned that my AW55 has some mechanical problems so it's not like the other good ones. Still I find it limiting engine torque to just 50nm or below 100 to be criminal. The torque limit request comes a few milliseconds after internal structures indicate it's time to shift, during this period before a torque limit request is calculated, I see that solenoid currents change twice specifically for the Shift pressure solenoid. So it must be measuring either the time it took for the commanded current to reach the feedback current(maybe due to sticking) or it measures a physical change using the output speed sensor. So I am very very curious WHY it determines that it needs to go as low as 50nm for a shift.

So I will now begin modifying it so that the biggest torque limit it can request is 150nm and no less. Or maybe I will first change the torque limit request to a torque control one and see how it is affecting shifts.
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