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« Reply #2670 on: August 31, 2024, 03:38:39 AM »

The gearbox will shift without any torque intervention at all, it will just take longer.
More torque intervention = shift is faster because synchronization takes less time.

You can also increase the ramp up speed to target pressure in the gearbox and the actual shift pressure, but without damos for similar box it will be difficult to find.
Then if you reduce the torque intervention after that the shift will be about the same speed but with much less power being cut during the shift.

It helps to understand the basic of how things work Smiley
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« Reply #2671 on: August 31, 2024, 01:23:38 PM »

Anyone know If a stage1 .bin exists anywhere for an 04 S60R with the aw55. Would really appreciate it, if someone could share it with me. So far I've only found  a BSR tune for manual.
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« Reply #2672 on: September 01, 2024, 05:02:11 AM »



Thank you very much. Smiley
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« Reply #2673 on: September 01, 2024, 09:36:24 AM »

The gearbox will shift without any torque intervention at all, it will just take longer.
More torque intervention = shift is faster because synchronization takes less time.

You can also increase the ramp up speed to target pressure in the gearbox and the actual shift pressure, but without damos for similar box it will be difficult to find.
Then if you reduce the torque intervention after that the shift will be about the same speed but with much less power being cut during the shift.

It helps to understand the basic of how things work Smiley
You are right, much of the operation is still not clear to me, I was looking for specific materials on how the shifting process begins, specifically for the Aisin 5-speed gearbox. However my transmission is a bit different in that it has mechanical wear, so it's not shifting the same compared to a well taken care of transmission. In fact, I might be replacing it in the near future, but I wanted more information to compare how the shifting process is compared to a decently working and well shifting AW55. I have flushed it many times to get it working well, I've added Lubeguard too. I've even modified the adaptations with custom values to see how the shift process is affected.

As you know, I have not needed DAMOS before to figure out things, it just takes more time. I have identified quite a few important maps already in the TCM. Once I get an SBL or write my own, I can tweak the things I have identified.
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« Reply #2674 on: September 07, 2024, 08:21:32 AM »

50QKHJ version with 5120 hack can has some errors. This is file for prefacelift cars. Can be found manual and automatic versions.
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« Reply #2675 on: September 08, 2024, 11:28:14 AM »

One issue was found. Incorrect substraction of fuel pressure from scaled down manifold pressure. Same code changes should be done as for 50WRHJ software. 16 bit values at addresses 0x83314, 0x83390 and 0x833A2 should be halfed. And axis of map FRLFSDP should be halfed too. After these changes fr_w and frX_w values are as on stock file.
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« Reply #2676 on: September 15, 2024, 11:40:43 AM »

Hello I am new here. I was looking for a logging software called "Open Moose". On its github it said that the software will be pushed in this forum but I haven't found it yet. Any clues? Or what other software do you use? Thanks Cheesy
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« Reply #2677 on: September 16, 2024, 02:02:26 PM »

Does anyone have logging parameters for 20kthj?
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« Reply #2678 on: September 18, 2024, 01:09:49 AM »

Advanced and sportmode flag for 50WRHJ software. This flag is set when sportmode or advanced mode is activated - word_FD26.11
It sets when TCM sends 2 to 0x30150E byte.
If anybody wants to check car's VIN then this value is stored from 0x303198 addr. 17 symbols.
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« Reply #2679 on: September 20, 2024, 11:33:12 AM »

Hello I am new here. I was looking for a logging software called "Open Moose". On its github it said that the software will be pushed in this forum but I haven't found it yet. Any clues? Or what other software do you use? Thanks Cheesy

Can download at openmoose.net
I've also got some 50wrhj and 50gphj multi map via cruise files if you want them.
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« Reply #2680 on: October 05, 2024, 04:00:56 PM »

Hello all. Have someone xml file for logging parameters for S60r tf80 EU? I think it 50wrhj72wra
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« Reply #2681 on: October 06, 2024, 11:25:47 AM »

Ok, so there is this book which only a select few Volvo forum members have that has a complete power flow diagram of the AW55 vb. With that said I can continue with my analysis.

So the NA engines had a firmware that seems to use the Electronic Throttle for torque reduction, it's even in the flags "USE_ETH_TRQ_LIM", this is in contrast to the turbo variants (especially those in 2007 and above) that have it set as "NOT_ETH_TRQ_LIM" So when the gearbox is shifting it using the Torque Limit signal vs Torque Control. Furthermore some of the NA engines continued to use Magnetti Marelli for their throttle unit. This signal means that the ECM will use both ignition control and throttle to limit torque.

So a low powered car had a more nuanced(read overpowered) torque reduction than a turbo powered variant with more torque output. Was the Bosch ECM control over ignition and throttle that much more superior than Denso for a measly 220 newtons? Or did Volvo just want the turbo automatics to break down faster?

In my previous posts months ago I mentioned that my AW55 has some mechanical problems so it's not like the other good ones. Still I find it limiting engine torque to just 50nm or below 100 to be criminal. The torque limit request comes a few milliseconds after internal structures indicate it's time to shift, during this period before a torque limit request is calculated, I see that solenoid currents change twice specifically for the Shift pressure solenoid. So it must be measuring either the time it took for the commanded current to reach the feedback current(maybe due to sticking) or it measures a physical change using the output speed sensor. So I am very very curious WHY it determines that it needs to go as low as 50nm for a shift.

So I will now begin modifying it so that the biggest torque limit it can request is 150nm and no less. Or maybe I will first change the torque limit request to a torque control one and see how it is affecting shifts.
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« Reply #2682 on: October 06, 2024, 11:30:23 AM »

Hello all. Have someone xml file for logging parameters for S60r tf80 EU? I think it 50wrhj72wra
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« Reply #2683 on: October 07, 2024, 10:29:45 AM »

Thank you, Cobra. I have this file. But it didn’t work with my car. Only few params shown correct.
Here is my stock file and ram file..
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« Reply #2684 on: October 08, 2024, 10:08:49 PM »



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