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Title: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on January 08, 2013, 11:43:22 AM As we all know there is a pressure cap in ME7.x at 2560mBar absolute pressure, this has in the past prevented us from installing a higher reading MAP sensor than the stock 2.5bar sensor.
This hack is based around scaling EVERY pressure variable down by 50%, this puts the pressure cap at double stock, 5120mBar absolute pressure. This allows us to install a MAP sensor capabable of reading up to 5bar absolute pressure. There is one known downside of doing this, it cuts resolution in half. The stock resolution is at 0.01bar or 10mBar, after scaling all pressures by -50% we end up with a resolution of 0.02bar or 20mBar. As you can tell the loss is minimal since the stock resolution was as high. Im attaching an .ols file with my stock ME7.5 8E0909518M bin, one version with the scaling implemented + definitions for those maps/ASM divisions. Im also attaching a .txt list of the maps changed(both .txt and .ols are sorted by %module), and last a graph from my car showing this hack in action. ;D A BIG thank you to all people involved to make this happen! Progress up to this point, can be viewed here: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=2747.0title= (http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=2747.0title=) I will update this first post as we go, when my 4bar sensor arrives etc. Update 2013-02-07: BT contributes with 551M files --> http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.msg31965#msg31965 (http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.msg31965#msg31965) Update 2013-02-26: List updated. Update 2013-04-04: Graph showing 26psi being PID controlled. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on January 08, 2013, 11:45:20 AM Latest 2.7t (8D0) M-box reference bins (as of 2015-07-15) (Big thanks to britishturbo!)
Note that the britishturbo files (http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.msg31965#msg31965) have a few minor errors: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.msg63024#msg63024 Added my changed files below, along with definitions with scaled factors, maps, and various code changes. My latest bins and maps will always be here http://files.s4wiki.com/patched/ http://files.s4wiki.com/defs/ Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on January 08, 2013, 11:58:18 AM HERO POST! Thank you bische! Thank you guys on here for this forum! I want to add this, the changes I made is made to fit my 1.8t '02 Audi, there is more maps that could be needed to scale in other applications that were not in use in binary - these maps are NOT on the list or in the .ols. And this: Quote WARNING! Before attempting any pressure scaling you must check if your car uses brake force amplifier(%GGPBKV)! I just became aware of this, and if this function is in use it must be scaled. I dont really know what would happen if not scaled, but I dont want anyone to have their brakes messed up! In the 1.8t and S4 2.7 binarys I have with this bit defined, it is CWGGPBKV = 6dec. 6dec = Brake amplifier function turned off. Please verify your CWGGPBKV in %GGPBKV if you are going to scale the file. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on January 08, 2013, 12:02:24 PM BTW i've been meaning to post this but forgot
It's a dump of the S4 g-box damos, converted to csv, and searching for references to pressure. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on January 08, 2013, 07:38:59 PM I just started digging in tonight.
I'm pretty sure I have all of the ATM constants for the M box. Now to start tracking variables. Everyone that says that they want to help can contribute by compiling a list of all of the pressure variables. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on January 10, 2013, 12:28:31 PM BTW i've been meaning to post this but forgot It's a dump of the S4 g-box damos, converted to csv, and searching for references to pressure. I have taken a look at this list, there is alot of maps from the brake amplifier module %GGPBKV, if those need scaling or not is different between applications. You will have to check in your binary if this module is use to determine if scaling is needed --> http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.msg29820#msg29820 (http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.msg29820#msg29820) I also did trace the pus_w(PUSMAX/MIN in nyet's .csv), it is used for EVAP Leak detection pump, it goes like this: pus_w -> %BGPUK (to determine if ambient pressure is sane), out comes pukor_w and pukorv_w -> %DLDP, which is diagnosis for LDP. My file does not diagnose LDP (CDLDP = 0), so I did not follow up what impact the scaled pus_w would have. But if one have %DLDP active, you might want to follow it up :) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: k0mpresd on January 12, 2013, 09:20:11 AM i believe you have a typo in your ols project. Positive limit for pssol gradient (PSSOLNGRD)
should be Positive limit for pssol gradient (PSSOLPGRD) im assuming. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on January 13, 2013, 08:32:25 PM i believe you have a typo in your ols project. Positive limit for pssol gradient (PSSOLNGRD) should be Positive limit for pssol gradient (PSSOLPGRD) im assuming. You are right, I can fix that after work :) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: k0mpresd on January 13, 2013, 11:14:52 PM yea, well, not to split hairs but pretty sure you have a few maps in the text file that are not listed in the ols.
only reason i mention is because im going through the ols, txt, and my 018ch file. maybe i just missed them. ill check more. :) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on January 15, 2013, 08:29:35 PM yea, well, not to split hairs but pretty sure you have a few maps in the text file that are not listed in the ols. only reason i mention is because im going through the ols, txt, and my 018ch file. maybe i just missed them. ill check more. :) No you are right, I have just forgotten to mention that. The maps regarding the DV operation I have not scaled, I did spend an amount of time to find those stubborn bastards and had some resistance, so I moved on through the list. I have not gotten back to those maps, when I do I will update the .ols with the definitions and changes. I updated the typo in the current .ols btw Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: k0mpresd on January 15, 2013, 08:33:04 PM ok, thanks for the clarification. just making sure i wasnt going blind.
so, there are maps that are ok to leave out and not scale? im assuming all the ones you have not added to the ols? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on January 16, 2013, 10:55:32 AM ok, thanks for the clarification. just making sure i wasnt going blind. so, there are maps that are ok to leave out and not scale? im assuming all the ones you have not added to the ols? NP man :) Well it is up to the user to decide which maps he/she want to scale, some of them are not "needed" for this work, but if not scaled the driving experience can be greatly compromised lol :) The maps I have not scaled is those n249 DV related maps, not scaling them down will make threshold for DV actuation from the vac reservoir less responsive on paper. I viewed my logs and didnt see any signs of boost blow-off being "slow", so I skipped them going after the negative turbo load maps instead(which gave me some awkward jerkiness). And I have not gone back to get those maps, when I do, I will update the .ols. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: lulu2003 on January 18, 2013, 08:00:00 AM great work!
what about the next limits like load(?) that were already discussed? Cannot find the thread in a hurry. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on January 18, 2013, 10:54:22 AM It was ps_w, that variable is also scaled with this hack.
If your file already have 16bit load axes in your timing maps, I cant come to think of any more limits :) ...aaaand I have a 4bar TDI MAP sensor on the kitchen counter, but I must not touch it.. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 21, 2013, 09:48:35 AM Do I have to offer up a bounty for the first person to get the mods documented for the M Box? Haha :-P
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: matchew on January 21, 2013, 12:31:21 PM Do I have to offer up a bounty for the first person to get the mods documented for the M Box? Haha :-P Why dont you do it your self? All the hard work has already been done..... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 21, 2013, 12:32:53 PM Why dont you do it your self? All the hard work has already been done..... I haven't had a chance to decompile things and find all the variable locations on the M Box... I figure byt he time I get it done someone else will beat me to it anyway lol. I know Phila_dot is working on it... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 22, 2013, 02:38:26 PM I said screw it.... I'm working on the M Box conversion :-)
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 22, 2013, 05:49:09 PM I personally think we should just move the community to the k-box, lmao... I'll goto the relevant thread for that. Ddillenger, what's your email? That as the 16bit timing tables right? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: s5fourdoor on January 22, 2013, 06:16:32 PM Correct. I need to send him the standard file to see if his de-immo procedure will work or not.
My car has a m-box running on a A6 Z-box, therefore the eeprom was already de-immo'ed at some point, but I just don't have a de-immo'ed rom cleaned up yet. -DB Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on January 22, 2013, 06:19:43 PM I have no plans of moving to any RS4 box. Too many hardware differences IMO.
I can easily get 16 bit load axis' on S4 software. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: marcellus on January 22, 2013, 06:41:37 PM I have no plans of moving to any RS4 box. Too many hardware differences IMO. I can easily get 16 bit load axis' on S4 software. I wish... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on January 22, 2013, 06:44:23 PM Correct. I need to send him the standard file to see if his de-immo procedure will work or not. My car has a m-box running on a A6 Z-box, therefore the eeprom was already de-immo'ed at some point, but I just don't have a de-immo'ed rom cleaned up yet. -DB Not necessarily the case. If the m-box was flashed over the original z while the ecu was still in the car the immo might still be activated in the eeprom. Flashing a bin with the immo referenced may very well end in a no start. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 22, 2013, 06:48:11 PM I have no plans of moving to any RS4 box. Too many hardware differences IMO. I can easily get 16 bit load axis' on S4 software. Do it up lol Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: IamwhoIam on January 23, 2013, 05:24:43 AM I have no plans of moving to any RS4 box. Too many hardware differences IMO. I can easily get 16 bit load axis' on S4 software. No RS4 cams and no RS4 heads makes RS4 software more a pain than anything else. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: jibberjive on January 24, 2013, 09:13:54 PM First off, I love you Bische (and community).
I personally think we should just move the community to the k-box, lmao... I'll goto the relevant thread for that. I know I've had like 20 false starts and 15 "I will do this next week"'s, but I really am planning on putting my feet to the ground with the K-box stuff soon as well.I have no plans of moving to any RS4 box. Too many hardware differences IMO. No RS4 cams and no RS4 heads makes RS4 software more a pain than anything else. For me, the fact that the RS4 file is based on different hardware is great, as I've got big port heads and 2.8 cams (pretty much the same as RS4). On top of that, the 16bit axes already done, better base values to start with, the added function of the RS4 airbox flapper output that I can utilize for meth/nitrous/second fuel pump, and all of the immo setup so I can activate immo on my non-immo car. It's pretty much all upsides for me. :)Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 24, 2013, 10:04:47 PM I'm digging into the M box stuff... not sure how long it will take me but I'm motivated now!
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 25, 2013, 12:31:15 PM At this rate I'm hoping to be done with all or most of the M Box locations/values by the end of the weekend... :-)
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 26, 2013, 06:23:39 AM I'm making good progress (I think lol) on the M box locations...
I have all of nyets maps found and only have 8 or 9 of Bische's left to find. Should get those finished tonight. Then I'll make an xdf and then it's testing time tomorrow hopefully! Thanks to all those who pushed me towards doing it all myself :-) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on January 26, 2013, 06:39:14 AM I'm making good progress (I think lol) on the M box locations... I have all of nyets maps found and only have 8 or 9 of Bische's left to find. Should get those finished tonight. Then I'll make an xdf and then it's testing time tomorrow hopefully! Thanks to all those who pushed me towards doing it all myself :-) I am rooting for you! ;D Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 26, 2013, 08:07:23 AM I am rooting for you! ;D Thanks man. It has been a little easier than I expected but very tedious lol. All the 2.7 boxes should be pretty easy to do once I have the M box done. And more than likely all the me7.5 boxes are probably easy too. The other guys here did all the hard work! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 26, 2013, 10:01:38 AM Once I'm done with the M Box I'll be happy to help anyone with other boxes.
Its the least I can do for the community :-) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on January 27, 2013, 01:06:51 PM First off, I love you Bische (and community). I know I've had like 20 false starts and 15 "I will do this next week"'s, but I really am planning on putting my feet to the ground with the K-box stuff soon as well. For me, the fact that the RS4 file is based on different hardware is great, as I've got big port heads and 2.8 cams (pretty much the same as RS4). On top of that, the 16bit axes already done, better base values to start with, the added function of the RS4 airbox flapper output that I can utilize for meth/nitrous/second fuel pump, and all of the immo setup so I can activate immo on my non-immo car. It's pretty much all upsides for me. :) :) :) :) I have been thinking about preparing a 551K to be flashed on 551D boxes(all "stock" basefile for our euro S4's) with the 5120 and all modules required, swapped to D box spec. Seems to me like I would be dealing with alot of modules to get it set up, intake model, LDRPID, KRRA and so on, enough to be questionable worth the hassle? It would sure be nice since theres such good definitions on the K box, but also ALOT of work... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 27, 2013, 01:12:05 PM :) :) :) I have been thinking about preparing a 551K to be flashed on 551D boxes(all "stock" basefile for our euro S4's) with the 5120 and all modules required, swapped to D box spec. Seems to me like I would be dealing with alot of modules to get it set up, intake model, LDRPID, KRRA and so on, enough to be questionable worth the hassle? It would sure be nice since theres such good definitions on the K box, but also ALOT of work... Once I prove out all the 551M box I was going to look at the K box. If its as close to the M box as the G Box it will be easy to find all the 5120 locations. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on January 27, 2013, 01:27:55 PM Once I prove out all the 551M box I was going to look at the K box. If its as close to the M box as the G Box it will be easy to find all the 5120 locations. Its not the 5120 im concerned about, it is taking the RS4 binary and rework it to S4 spec just for the definition and 16bit KFZW axis. Well, it is a one time job, but time is indeed time :) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 27, 2013, 01:29:59 PM Its not the 5120 im concerned about, it is taking the RS4 binary and rework it to S4 spec just for the definition and 16bit KFZW axis. Well, it is a one time job, but time is indeed time :) I think Phila_dot said he could get 16bit KFZW in M box... I wonder what would take less time. Hmmmm I really don't want to leave M Box with all the special stuff in it now Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: matchew on January 27, 2013, 01:31:40 PM changing to 16 bit axis is childs play comparatively
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: jibberjive on January 27, 2013, 10:21:01 PM :) :) :) My intentions with the K-box aren't quite as noble as yours, as I'm just looking to get a K-box file that will work with my car the best (not necessarily set up a template K-box bin with stock S4 values). Since my car's hardware is much closer to the RS4's hardware than it is to the S4's, I wouldn't be changing much, and certain things that I do change would be changed (tuned) either way (for example LDRPID, as I'm running 38mm Tial external wastegates), regardless of whether I started out with an M or K box. KRRA and possibly one or two other things will need to be taken to stock S4 values, sure, but everything else should be either left alone at stock RS4 value or tuned for my specific setup. I'd rather do the couple of things to run a K-box on my car, than to modify an M-box to have 16bit axes, hack it to have all of the immobilizer stuff, hack it to have new outputs via unused ECU pins, go through and plug in the corresponding RS4 map values that I want in my file (which I can't even do with some things [like NWS], as some of the schemes are completely different). For my personal build/application and desires, it seems that the path of least resistance is to switch to a K-box based file.I have been thinking about preparing a 551K to be flashed on 551D boxes(all "stock" basefile for our euro S4's) with the 5120 and all modules required, swapped to D box spec. Seems to me like I would be dealing with alot of modules to get it set up, intake model, LDRPID, KRRA and so on, enough to be questionable worth the hassle? It would sure be nice since theres such good definitions on the K box, but also ALOT of work... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 28, 2013, 02:15:28 PM Tedious work but I should have my xdf for the M Box finished today, I'm hoping to test it tomorrow if all goes well!
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 29, 2013, 09:56:20 AM Just to give you guys an update, I have completed my xdf for M-Box changes as per the changes made by Bische and tested it.
It is not yet working, it seems that there is more to the 5120 "hack" on the ME7.1 than on the ME7.5. I'm digging through the code to see what else I can find. I'll keep you guys updated. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on January 29, 2013, 10:01:21 AM You realize it's not only maps you have to change right?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 29, 2013, 10:02:18 AM You realize it's not only maps you have to change right? Correct :-) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on January 29, 2013, 10:51:13 AM Just to give you guys an update, I have completed my xdf for M-Box changes as per the changes made by Bische and tested it. It is not yet working, it seems that there is more to the 5120 "hack" on the ME7.1 than on the ME7.5. I'm digging through the code to see what else I can find. I'll keep you guys updated. What were the symptoms? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 29, 2013, 11:06:20 AM What were the symptoms? The car would fire up and would pop and bang and want to run at a higher throttle angle than expected. I'm analyzing the logs right now. One thing I see is that fho_w is 1/4 what is normal not 1/2... so I'm debugging that right now to see where that came from :-) I'll fix one thing at a time ;-) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on January 29, 2013, 11:16:11 AM The car would fire up and would pop and bang and want to run at a higher throttle angle than expected. I'm analyzing the logs right now. One thing I see is that fho_w is 1/4 what is normal not 1/2... so I'm debugging that right now to see where that came from :-) I'll fix one thing at a time ;-) Definatly related to the ASM divisions, ask me how I know lol ;D Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 29, 2013, 11:17:48 AM Definatly related to the ASM divisions, ask me how I know lol ;D Haha yeah I figured as much :-P I'm crawling through the ASM in IDA right now on my lunch break to see what I did wrong... ;-) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 29, 2013, 11:38:15 AM Definatly related to the ASM divisions, ask me how I know lol ;D I think I see what I did now... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on January 29, 2013, 11:40:30 AM Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 29, 2013, 11:42:13 AM Being? :) There's two 1013 divisions in the code involving fho_w... Bische only scaled one, I scaled both... I'm going through now and comparing each 1013 and making sure I have them all right :-) I will test again tonight! I'm determined... I'm going to order a 4 bar vag sensor this week as well for step 2. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 29, 2013, 11:55:39 AM I also had 2 1013 divides mixed up... Now that I've got that right I will test again :-)
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 29, 2013, 08:15:04 PM So after a few HEX math errors today... I think I got it! M Box 5 Bar Map support!
Here's a test run this evening... the Boost is really double what it shows (It isn't showing the scaled Boost numbers but they were logged) (http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q755/britishturbo/5-bar-map_m-box_zps0d525caa.png) Awesome stuff! I'll do some more testing and clean up the xdf file and upload everything tomorrow probably :-) Thanks for all the hard work guys! I should be able to do the rest of the 2.7T boxes very quickly if anyone has any requests... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on January 29, 2013, 08:27:08 PM also, please take a peek at this post, if you haven't already...
dump of the S4 g-box damos, converted to csv, and searching for references to pressure. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 29, 2013, 08:30:14 PM also, please take a peek at this post, if you haven't already... I have G Box 95% done as well... it helped me a lot :-) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on January 29, 2013, 08:32:55 PM I have G Box 95% done as well... it helped me a lot :-) Did you find anything applicable in m-box that bische didn't cover? Evap? Brake booster? BTW you got a PM re:ME7Sum :) Again, thanks for your efforts, you're a rockstar! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 29, 2013, 09:08:43 PM Did you find anything applicable in m-box that bische didn't cover? Evap? Brake booster? BTW you got a PM re:ME7Sum :) Again, thanks for your efforts, you're a rockstar! I saw the PM, I'll look into it... I pretty much transferred all of Bische's maps and locations over to the M Box. I haven't gotten into the other things yet... I will though. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on January 29, 2013, 09:32:32 PM Did you find anything applicable in m-box that bische didn't cover? Evap? Brake booster? BTW you got a PM re:ME7Sum :) Again, thanks for your efforts, you're a rockstar! There's more, the list you provided looks like it will be pretty close. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on January 29, 2013, 10:01:49 PM Yummy, working PID controller for GT turbos will be soooooo awesome.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on January 29, 2013, 11:40:00 PM Woowooo! :) :)
I will be installing my 4bar sensor this weekend and get some logs. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on January 30, 2013, 07:19:59 AM Which sensor exactly should one get then /hopping on bandwagon.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 30, 2013, 07:35:56 AM Which sensor exactly should one get then /hopping on bandwagon. This one looks to be the best "Plug and Play" option: http://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/vw-4-bar-map-manifold-pressure-sensor-03k-906-051.html There's more listed here: http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Manifold_air_pressure#OEM I'm going to order the DarkSide one, but I do have a crap pile of Motorola/Freescale MPX6400 chips at home I can experiment with... If anyone (who contributes here lol) wants one let me know and I can send you one. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 30, 2013, 07:41:04 AM The 5120 mods survived my 45 minute drive to work fine today... I do have a few slight differences in behaviour to look into though.
I've had LR turn off on me a few times that I need to investigate and it seemed like acceleration enrichment wasn't "quite" right, that needs looked into as well. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on January 30, 2013, 08:28:51 AM Thanks for update. For our application we need the version with "Reducer"? I forget it we have big or small holes in the TBB...
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 30, 2013, 08:40:19 AM Thanks for update. For our application we need the version with "Reducer"? I forget it we have big or small holes in the TBB... We have a big hole. My MAP flange came with big hole and small to big adapter, It fits in the big hole direct :-) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on January 30, 2013, 08:57:52 AM We have a big hole. My MAP flange came with big hole and small to big adapter, It fits in the big hole direct :-) Cool, placed an order for one! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on January 30, 2013, 01:08:26 PM Which sensor exactly should one get then /hopping on bandwagon. vag: 03K 906 051 bosch: 0 281 006 060 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on January 30, 2013, 01:12:26 PM This one looks to be the best "Plug and Play" option: http://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/vw-4-bar-map-manifold-pressure-sensor-03k-906-051.html There's more listed here: http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Manifold_air_pressure#OEM I'm going to order the DarkSide one, but I do have a crap pile of Motorola/Freescale MPX6400 chips at home I can experiment with... If anyone (who contributes here lol) wants one let me know and I can send you one. Thats the one I did get: (http://i.imgur.com/BVcNIQ7.jpg) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 30, 2013, 01:39:40 PM I opened up a stock 2.5 bar sensor...
I'm pretty sure I can retrofit a Motorola MPX6400 in there :-) (http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q755/britishturbo/IMG_20130130_153212_488_zps30f9c7e4.jpg) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on January 30, 2013, 01:44:34 PM Well that looks simple as shit. I was expecting something a bit more intimidating to be honest. ???
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 30, 2013, 01:46:52 PM Well that looks simple as shit. I was expecting something a bit more intimidating to be honest. ??? Yeah I wasn't sure what I would find lol. The epoxy holding it together was a pain though, I had to cut it then dig it out with a screwdriver. I have to fly to Arkansas in the morning or I would be testing it tomorrow lol. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on January 30, 2013, 01:49:02 PM Does that have an integrated IAT sensor?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 30, 2013, 01:50:46 PM Does that have an integrated IAT sensor? I believe it does... that's the two pins on the bottom section I think. I'm guessing it's there but not used on the Audi 2.7... the harness only has the 2 wires for the MAP. Either way it could be retrofitted and keep the IAT I think :-) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on January 30, 2013, 04:53:48 PM I have at least half a dozen of these guys lol
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q755/britishturbo/IMG_20130130_184834_499_zps0c73d0a7.jpg) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 01, 2013, 09:11:06 AM Sweet.
Quick question: IF I installed the 4bar map and only changed the relevant translation constants/tables for V to mbar conversion, I will be ok driving around prior to taking plunge into real conversion? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on February 01, 2013, 09:18:14 AM Yep. I would assume that you're giving up negligible resolution, but other than that it should be the exact same.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 01, 2013, 12:00:26 PM Once I get back to PA today and do some more testing I'll know if there's anything else that needs changed.
That and tomorrow I'll try and make a 4 bar sensor... :-) I'll get xdf and documentation cleaned up and posted this weekend. For those who don't care about factory fit Summit Racing gas an AEM 5 bar sensor for $63. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 02, 2013, 07:46:19 AM A little ghetto fabulous but it should work as a test:
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q755/britishturbo/IMG_20130202_093852_035_zps180300b6.jpg) Have to go out with the family now but when I get back I'll test it :-) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on February 02, 2013, 07:56:47 AM Looks just like OEM ;)
I did install my 4bar sensor yesterday, but it was too damn bad traction to get any good logs, went sideways in 70mph so I called it for the evening. Did spike 25psi once though :) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 02, 2013, 09:12:46 AM Looks just like OEM ;) I did install my 4bar sensor yesterday, but it was too damn bad traction to get any good logs, went sideways in 70mph so I called it for the evening. Did spike 25psi once though :) Haha nice! What hpa factors did you use for the 4 bar sensor? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on February 02, 2013, 10:00:38 AM Calculated from formula in the FR ;)
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 02, 2013, 11:20:59 AM Calculated from formula in the FR ;) Good man :-) I'll probably do the same. I'll be using the MPX6400 It's 20kpa @ 0.2V to 400kpa @ 4.8V Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 02, 2013, 11:26:44 AM By my numbers that's 826.08670 hpa per volt, divided by 2 equals 413.0435
So i get: DSLGRAD = 413.0435 DSLOFS = -4.1 Did I do the numbers right? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Snow Trooper on February 02, 2013, 01:34:28 PM BT and Bische and PD, please PM me with your relevant paypal addys :)
Great work guys! Looking forward to PID control at 35 psi... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 02, 2013, 01:47:12 PM BT and Bische and PD, please PM me with your relevant paypal addys :) Great work guys! Looking forward to PID control at 35 psi... lol does this mean you forgive me? Haha :-p Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Snow Trooper on February 02, 2013, 01:50:55 PM I was never mad, just frustrated.
When you get paragraphs out of me it generally means i like you and want to see you succeed. Your car melting down would be a huge blow to progression of single turbo 2.7t setups. Same with Marcellus or me or anyone else for that matter. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 02, 2013, 05:19:36 PM I was never mad, just frustrated. When you get paragraphs out of me it generally means i like you and want to see you succeed. Your car melting down would be a huge blow to progression of single turbo 2.7t setups. Same with Marcellus or me or anyone else for that matter. Oh I hear you, it's all good ;-) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: matchew on February 02, 2013, 05:36:40 PM BT and Bische and PD, please PM me with your relevant paypal addys :) What for? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 02, 2013, 07:06:26 PM What for? What for what? PID control? How about ability to spool faster by over driving PID and letting car down regulate PID to reach desired level? How about boost compensation due to IATs? (you do know that the hotter the air on fixed PID, the less boos turbo makes, right?) Working PID might actually allow us to spool faster as you won't have to taper out KFDRL in fear of overshooting without safety of working PID control. It is huge IMHO. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on February 02, 2013, 07:09:29 PM Pretty sure the comment was directed @ snowtrooper's request for paypal addresses, I could be wrong, I was once before (lol).
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 02, 2013, 07:43:49 PM Well my 4 bar map sensor works :-D
But... me7 freaked the fuck out at over 2560... Phila_dot is helping me analyze logs... Oh and testing in snow bad idea... sideways in 4th is scary lol Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Snow Trooper on February 02, 2013, 08:00:48 PM what for?
I run a 21 lb spring in my shop car, will be nice to have control again. Hard work for useful code should be rewarded and short of me flying to them and patting them on them back I will cover their sensor or something useful like that. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 02, 2013, 08:46:16 PM Update:
The logs show my maf is what freaked out... I need to check it tomorrow. Will keep updated! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 02, 2013, 10:03:24 PM You guys will find this interesting...
This was a 2nd gear test of the 4 bar map sensor... you can see the boost spike pre throttle body when the throttle plate closes! Pretty neat... (http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q755/britishturbo/51204bar-r12-2nd-boost_spike_zps4a4a3b0e.png) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 02, 2013, 10:04:58 PM By my numbers that's 826.08670 hpa per volt, divided by 2 equals 413.0435 So i get: DSLGRAD = 413.0435 DSLOFS = -4.1 Did I do the numbers right? I ended up using the following numbers to get the sensor to read ambient pressure the same as before: DSLGRAD = 430.0 DSLOFS = -4.1 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 03, 2013, 11:02:29 AM Seems to be I have an issue with my new VMP MAF sensor :-(
You can see the output and resulting flow the ecu thinks it's seeing right here: (http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q755/britishturbo/20015AudiS48D0907551M0261207143_template_20130202_205407-maf_spike_zpsba5331c9.png) I've emailed VMP, I'm hoping they can get me a replacement sensor ASAP... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on February 03, 2013, 11:08:05 AM Yikes. that ain't good
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: matchew on February 03, 2013, 12:46:33 PM Hard work for useful code should be rewarded. I agree short of me flying to them and patting them on them back I will cover their sensor or something useful like that. Why them? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 03, 2013, 02:03:23 PM Unless i am missing someone those three are who made this happen for the m-box, if someone else contributed please let me know. It was very much a collaborative effort by the community. Just off the top of my head I can think of the following people who added to it: matchew Bische nyet prj Phila_dot If you read through the other thread http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=2747.0 you'll see all those who added to the pool of knowledge. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: mightemouce on February 03, 2013, 04:22:01 PM Just want to say a big thanks to everyone involved in this ;D
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 03, 2013, 07:42:57 PM Re: maf and map spike. It looks to me like you're not running n249 valve and backpressure literally backfires backwards through the whole intact tract giving you insane mar readings as maf can't indicate direction of flow, just g/s. With properly working n249/diverters, the charge kind of dissipates in closed loop inside intake.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 03, 2013, 07:48:40 PM Re: mar and map spike. It looks to me like you're not running n249 valve and backpressure literally backfires backwards through the whole intact tract giving you insane mar readings as maf can't indicate direction of flow, just g/s. With properly working n249/diverters, the charge kind of dissipates in closed loop inside intake. You are correct about not running the N249... just a Tial Q50 BOV dumping to atmosphere. The MAP spike only shows up in 2nd gear actually, in higher gears it isn't there nearly as much, I'll post some logs later after I've analyzed them. There isn't any compressor surge when it happens though and the BOV is working correctly. The MAF spikes are something totally different though, that was under WOT conditions, not on throttle release like the MAP spike. I think I may have discovered the problem though, I'm pretty sure the MAF cable was picking up electrical noise... I went and looked and the cable had slipped down and was laying on top of a coil pack... so i moved the cable and it's much much better than it was... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 03, 2013, 08:25:29 PM You are correct about not running the N249... just a Tial Q50 BOV dumping to atmosphere. The MAP spike only shows up in 2nd gear actually, in higher gears it isn't there nearly as much, I'll post some logs later after I've analyzed them. There isn't any compressor surge when it happens though and the BOV is working correctly. The MAF spikes are something totally different though, that was under WOT conditions, not on throttle release like the MAP spike. I think I may have discovered the problem though, I'm pretty sure the MAF cable was picking up electrical noise... I went and looked and the cable had slipped down and was laying on top of a coil pack... so i moved the cable and it's much much better than it was... Good to know. These dam coil cables interfere is everything. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 03, 2013, 08:29:01 PM Good to know. These dam coil cables interfere is everything. Yeah I should have thought of it sooner... I've literally flown over the world to have to fix cnc machines with electrical noise before... it's not like I'm not used to it lol. It really doesn't help that the VMP pigtail isn't shielded... the factory maf wiring is, so it goes from shielded to about 18 inches of un-shielded wiring. I think I need to remedy that with some shielded cable. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 03, 2013, 08:39:37 PM Can we all get back to the hack now? Please... lets. This thread has already gotten way too messy lol I say when all the dust is settled we make a nice fresh post with all the files and details. Real quick, who has what 2.7 boxes here so I know what other boxes to worry about making an xdf for? I know M Box... I also have G Box pretty much done. Should I do A box as well? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Snow Trooper on February 03, 2013, 08:52:56 PM I would just do M. Everyone else can port from there as its the widest used and heavily documented.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on February 03, 2013, 09:07:56 PM Honestly, I don't see the need to do anything but M (as nearly everyone can use either that, or an L) and maybe the euro-equivalent of the M-box (as in a flash that can be used by the majority of those that don't live in NA)
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 03, 2013, 09:11:11 PM Honestly, I don't see the need to do anything but M (as nearly everyone can use either that, or an L) and maybe the euro-equivalent of the M-box (as in a flash that can be used by the majority of those that don't live in NA) Sounds good. So what is the most common Euro 2.7 Box? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 03, 2013, 10:56:33 PM Here's a quick plot of Actual vs Required boost:
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q755/britishturbo/20015AudiS48D0907551M0261207143_template_20130203_211757-3rd_wot-boost_zps682e488d.png) The log for the run is attached as well. There was still a little noise on the maf in this file, I'm going to run a shielded cable tomorrow. Also I need to smooth out the KFZW file as well, I wasn't hitting the places in the table before that I am now that things aren't underscaled... Was also very rich here as well. I'll have some new fresh better tuned logs tomorrow. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: jibberjive on February 04, 2013, 02:02:15 AM Just catching up on this thread, and thought I'd repost a post I made on AZ regarding the AEM sensor referenced a couple of pages back.
For those who don't care about factory fit Summit Racing gas an AEM 5 bar sensor for $63. If you go with that AEM style sensor, I recommend the stainless one over the brass one (though it is twice the cost), as it's got an accuracy of +/- 0.5% rather than +/- 3% for the brass. http://www.aemelectronics.com/5-bar-75-psia-map-stainless-steel-sensor-kit-655 (http://www.aemelectronics.com/5-bar-75-psia-map-stainless-steel-sensor-kit-655) Ultimate accuracy doesn't always matter, but when the scale is so large at 5bar (and people are likely to really only read up to less than 4 bar MAX on their S4), that added accuracy can add some meaningful resolution to the MAP readings. The stainless version's accuracy equates to +/- 0.36 psi, and the brass version equates to +/- 2.175 psi. A potential 4+ psi swing of inaccuracy is not insignificant when people are looking at values like 20 psi. If you decide to go that route, let me know and I can hook you up on price with that sensor with my business accounts (though it looks like you've already got your solution). My PM box got one message, a very humble one from someone who in my opinion threw down more than others in direct relation to my personal car. I felt compelled to toss him some R&D funds. Thanks for the money Jared ;Dj/k Real quick, who has what 2.7 boxes here so I know what other boxes to worry about making an xdf for? I know M Box... I also have G Box pretty much done. Should I do A box as well? I agree with the above, there's no point in worrying about any additional North American xdf's other than the M-box. So what is the most common Euro 2.7 Box? As for the euro boxes, my vote (as usual ;D) goes for the K-box. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: mightemouce on February 04, 2013, 07:45:33 AM Anyone have any input on using a gm 4 bar map sensor?
http://www.xenocron.com/4-bar-map-sensor-gm-style-p-494.html Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 04, 2013, 07:55:50 AM Anyone have any input on using a gm 4 bar map sensor? http://www.xenocron.com/4-bar-map-sensor-gm-style-p-494.html That will work perfectly, you just won't be able to install it "as oem" But as far as functionality it will be fine. The GM sensors have the same scales that I've seen as VAG / Motorola / Freescale sensors. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 04, 2013, 07:57:45 AM Sweet. Quick question: IF I installed the 4bar map and only changed the relevant translation constants/tables for V to mbar conversion, I will be ok driving around prior to taking plunge into real conversion? You might throw some codes unless you get the scales just right. I mistakenly flashed a non 5120 file this morning and got every code imaginable for MAP sensor when it didn't see the right response :-P Only took me about 50 feet of driving to realize lol. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 04, 2013, 07:59:21 AM If you go with that AEM style sensor, I recommend the stainless one over the brass one (though it is twice the cost), as it's got an accuracy of +/- 0.5% rather than +/- 3% for the brass. http://www.aemelectronics.com/5-bar-75-psia-map-stainless-steel-sensor-kit-655 (http://www.aemelectronics.com/5-bar-75-psia-map-stainless-steel-sensor-kit-655) Ultimate accuracy doesn't always matter, but when the scale is so large at 5bar (and people are likely to really only read up to less than 4 bar MAX on their S4), that added accuracy can add some meaningful resolution to the MAP readings. The stainless version's accuracy equates to +/- 0.36 psi, and the brass version equates to +/- 2.175 psi. A potential 4+ psi swing of inaccuracy is not insignificant when people are looking at values like 20 psi. If you decide to go that route, let me know and I can hook you up on price with that sensor with my business accounts (though it looks like you've already got your solution). Are you sure this isn't just AEM sales BS? I don't think I've seen any pressure sensor elements that have that bad an accuracy... I may be wrong though lol. In general though I don't trust AEM hardware lol. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 04, 2013, 08:59:27 AM Inaccuracy meaning? Permanently skewed towards one end or at the same exact pressure the sensors gives constantly changing readings? First one is irrelevant, second is a game breaker.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 04, 2013, 10:34:26 AM Inaccuracy meaning? Permanently skewed towards one end or at the same exact pressure the sensors gives constantly changing readings? First one is irrelevant, second is a game breaker. This is very true... I might get one of these just to compare to the freescale sensor. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 04, 2013, 10:44:35 AM A little Google search finds lots of people agreeing with jibberjive.
Seems the brass sensors are only good for measuring fluid pressures where you don't care about accuracy. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on February 04, 2013, 11:04:34 AM You are correct about not running the N249... just a Tial Q50 BOV dumping to atmosphere. Have fun with your mass-flow setup then.BOV's are crap. They are either open at idle, or not soon enough. A recirc valve can have a soft spring and be open at idle without any ill effects. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 04, 2013, 11:09:41 AM Have fun with your mass-flow setup then. BOV's are crap. They are either open at idle, or not soon enough. A recirc valve can have a soft spring and be open at idle without any ill effects. Actually other than the spike seen there the BOV is working great. No problems at all. The original spring I had though was too soft and open at idle, so I went up to the next spring. I think "crap" is a little over the top for a description of a BOV... in Speed Density or Blow Through MAF they have been shown to work just fine. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree here ;-) The spike is also not as long in duration as that log suggests, the output is smoothed in the logs that the picture was from. The raw ME7logger output doesn't look the same. And as I already mentioned there is no compressor surge that is audible. The spike is more than likely a result of the pure air volume the turbo is putting out at that time... Even a recirculating dump valve would have a hard time dumping that pressure and volume any quicker. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on February 04, 2013, 12:21:43 PM Snow Trooper: Thanks for your offer, but I do not want money for any of this.
I have taken and learned alot from this forum + made some very good contacts, I am just glad to be able to contribute back to the forum. I do not take full credit for making this happen, I would not be able to make it happen without the help of the others mentioned. And as mentioned, there is still more work to it. The files I have posted is only a summarize of what I am currently running, with no known to me side effects, to show that this is possible to execute. I am also currently running the 4bar TDI sensor mentioned a few pages back now, once I manage to get good enough traction I will post up a graph of 24psi+ actual boost control. Im glad to see more people working on this, hopefully getting this 100% ironed out and possibly spot more needed changes for different SW versions. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on February 04, 2013, 12:50:05 PM Even a recirculating dump valve would have a hard time dumping that pressure and volume any quicker. No. You just use a valve that is big enough, and these issues do not happen.It's really the basics. You can disagree all you want, fact is that you need a stronger spring to keep it shut on idle or suck in unfiltered air. Stronger spring - does not open soon enough when it should be. Less efficiency, harder on the turbo, and makes MAF readings go all over the place. You should have the N249 actuating your BOV, instead of removing it. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on February 06, 2013, 09:32:49 AM I am working on a 100% rescale, but the currently posted information appears to be enough to get by at least short term.
I expect to be done in the next week or two depending on how much time I get to work on it. The spreadsheet posted by Nyet is also a great resource for anyone that wants to get a head start. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 06, 2013, 10:52:19 AM No. You just use a valve that is big enough, and these issues do not happen. It's really the basics. You can disagree all you want, fact is that you need a stronger spring to keep it shut on idle or suck in unfiltered air. Stronger spring - does not open soon enough when it should be. Less efficiency, harder on the turbo, and makes MAF readings go all over the place. You should have the N249 actuating your BOV, instead of removing it. I'll hook the N249 up for a test just for you ;-) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 06, 2013, 10:53:03 AM Any Updates on this for M-Box? I'm planning on posting a stock M Box modified and the xdf tonight. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 06, 2013, 12:09:35 PM splendid!
I am already sick of tuning my car on fixed KFLDRL... Do I put high enough PID limiter to boost up quick and overshoot or keep it low but have "slow spooling" turbos... a conundrum. Having full PSI range in logs will rock too! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 06, 2013, 12:13:42 PM splendid! I am already sick of tuning my car on fixed KFLDRL... Do I put high enough PID limiter to boost up quick and overshoot or keep it low but have "slow spooling" turbos... a conundrum. Having full PSI range in logs will rock too! I hear ya there... I was testing the PID control the last few days to make sure it was working right before I posted everything. It seems to be. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: mightemouce on February 06, 2013, 01:09:37 PM I'm planning on posting a stock M Box modified and the xdf tonight. Woohoo can't wait to tinker with my file tonight. Reading through all this again if I leave DSLGRAD and DSLOFS at their regular values and still run a 2.5 bar map sensor until I get a new sensor my logged boost should be half of what it actually is correct? Any chance I can purchase one of those MPX pressure sensors from you ? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on February 06, 2013, 02:16:35 PM Woohoo can't wait to tinker with my file tonight. Reading through all this again if I leave DSLGRAD and DSLOFS at their regular values and still run a 2.5 bar map sensor until I get a new sensor my logged boost should be half of what it actually is correct? Any chance I can purchase one of those MPX pressure sensors from you ? You have to rescale them Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 06, 2013, 02:18:12 PM Woohoo can't wait to tinker with my file tonight. Reading through all this again if I leave DSLGRAD and DSLOFS at their regular values and still run a 2.5 bar map sensor until I get a new sensor my logged boost should be half of what it actually is correct? Any chance I can purchase one of those MPX pressure sensors from you ? To run the stock 2.5 bar sensor you divide DSLGRAD and DSLOFS by 2. When I upload files later I'll have an M Box file for the stock 2.5 bar sensor and one for 4 bar sensor. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: marcellus on February 06, 2013, 02:34:03 PM Scared and excited.... ;D
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 06, 2013, 10:49:43 PM OK so I took a seconds to convert some M box files over to 5120 support.
Versions should be self explanatory. XDF files included with all the changes. This may not be complete, but it works and has been used on my daily driver for over 500 miles now without any problems. These are based on the 8D0907551M-002 file: ME7Check v1.12 (c) mki, 06/2004-05/2012 Checking file 8D0907551M-002.bin (size=1048576) Reading Version Strings... -> Bootrom Version = embedded in CPU, asume 05.12/05.32 -> EPK = 40/1/ME7.1/5/6005.01//22m/DstC2o/011200// -> Contents of ECUID data table: - '0261207143' (SSECUHN) - '1037360857' (SSECUSN) - '8D0907551M ' (VAG part number) - '0002' (VAG sw number) - '2.7l V6/5VT ' (engine id) -> Contents of ECUID data table: - 'HW_MAN004' -> No errors found. File is OK. ********************* [Editor's note: There are a few minor errors in these files... please read http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.msg63024#msg63024] Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 06, 2013, 10:53:11 PM Here's the "nyet" hpa list updated for the 8D0907551M box also for those that might need it.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 06, 2013, 10:54:05 PM Scared and excited.... ;D If you want I can just convert your latest file over to 5120... or just use the xdf... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 06, 2013, 11:27:40 PM Note:
Logged pressure variables will now be half of their actual value using normal ecu logging. The easy fix for this is to double the scale factor being used. For ME7Logger this means the values in the .ecu file. For example ps_w scale factor gets doubled to 0.078125 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on February 06, 2013, 11:29:55 PM Great work. You went this far, post the .ecu file with the corrections as well.
LOL. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 06, 2013, 11:32:46 PM Great work. You went this far, post the .ecu file with the corrections as well. LOL. You mean this? lol Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on February 06, 2013, 11:34:52 PM haha
Wait for it. Someone's going to come in and ask for more. It's inevitable. ;D Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: s5fourdoor on February 06, 2013, 11:39:50 PM j.f.c.
i'll look for all of these maps in the xdf i released last week. does anyone have the single-patch xdf for nls/als? i'd like to put that into my xdf as well, if anyone knows how that's done. i saw it once, but can't find it. hopefully release that all at once. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on February 06, 2013, 11:41:45 PM Pretty sure this is what you're looking for.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on February 07, 2013, 02:48:24 AM Great work BT!
...sooo, when to expect to see Maestro support larger MAP sensors? :D Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 07, 2013, 05:48:45 AM Great work BT! Hey you motivated me and pushed me man! So thank you! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: mightemouce on February 07, 2013, 07:21:46 AM GREAT WORK !! Thanks Again!!
Can't wait to get home from work today, wish I brought my laptop to work ;) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 07, 2013, 11:27:46 AM Great work BT! ...sooo, when to expect to see Maestro support larger MAP sensors? :D If it does, I will go and bitch on eurodyne site about stealing stuff back from us here, right at you Chris Tapp lol. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: marcellus on February 07, 2013, 12:03:26 PM Why do you need to go <3 bar? I am sking becasue I think I can get a 3bar sensor pretty quick versus the other market only 4 bar. 30+psi?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on February 07, 2013, 12:09:38 PM 3 bar absolute. That takes into account atmospheric pressure, so your range is only an additional 2 bar.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 07, 2013, 12:29:31 PM 3 bar would give you 2 * 14.9 = 29.8psi range. Good if you can keep yourself under 30psi but any larger aftermaket turbo can easily shoot outside of this range and you lose control then.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: s5fourdoor on February 07, 2013, 12:46:46 PM What reasons are there to run a sensor other than the totally standard VW TDI 4-bar? Its less than $50 and can read up-to 43.5 psi.
I'm going to need more MAF resolution before boost resolution after this mod. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on February 07, 2013, 12:50:47 PM What reasons are there to run a sensor other than the totally standard VW TDI 4-bar? Its less than $50 and can read up-to 43.5 psi. I'm going to need more MAF resolution before boost resolution after this mod. This is what I was thinking. How many people are running in excess of 40psi? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 07, 2013, 01:31:41 PM This is what I was thinking. How many people are running in excess of 40psi? odd dyno queen cars I would assume. For 99% of people going all out, 40psi of boost is all they will run anyway. I am at 30psi now but once I upgrade y-pipe and ICs, I might bump it up but I doubt I will go 40psi unless I still see gains in TQ/HP department. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on February 07, 2013, 01:58:01 PM odd dyno queen cars I would assume. For 99% of people going all out, 40psi of boost is all they will run anyway. I am at 30psi now but once I upgrade y-pipe and ICs, I might bump it up but I doubt I will go 40psi unless I still see gains in TQ/HP department. And if you are in dynoqueen mode, using ME7 is probably pointless.. you'll probably end up with standalone+EBC etc. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 07, 2013, 03:58:16 PM Got the 4bar sensor in mail today. I will dip my toes with 5120 changes tomorrow.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Rabbid on February 07, 2013, 05:06:38 PM Hi All by Hex comparing the code around the changes on the M box on the front page I think I've found the locations where the program code needs to be changed in an Opel Z20LET bin
Can anyone double check my work who is a bit more up to speed with ASM work. I did find more than one possible location for a couple variables so I may have selected the wrong one, or this ECU infact has more functions that needs scaling. So this is untested and I warn anyone who wants to use this file to double check it first. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: zillarob on February 07, 2013, 07:29:26 PM Holy badass boostage, Batman!
Got my vote for insta-Hero Member upgrade, lol! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on February 07, 2013, 09:48:18 PM if i could i would. bt is my hero
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 07, 2013, 10:12:53 PM Hi All by Hex comparing the code around the changes on the M box on the front page I think I've found the locations where the program code needs to be changed in an Opel Z20LET bin Can anyone double check my work who is a bit more up to speed with ASM work. I did find more than one possible location for a couple variables so I may have selected the wrong one, or this ECU infact has more functions that needs scaling. So this is untested and I warn anyone who wants to use this file to double check it first. If you can post the raw bin file I will take a look for you. There are a lot more possible locations than changes needed... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Rabbid on February 08, 2013, 02:10:20 AM If you need it I can do later, but the project is an unmodified bin file. If you have WinOLS you'll be able to export the bin file.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Rabbid on February 08, 2013, 02:35:35 AM Here we go, file attached!
Here is what I believe the values to be: 50032 pvdk_w 1013 division #1 50696 pvdk_w 1013 division #2 50D7E fvpdkds 1013 division #1 50F42 fvpdkds 1013 division #2 5143E fho_w 1013 division 522E2 frhodkr_w 1013 division Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Rabbid on February 08, 2013, 04:10:25 PM I've run through the map today made all the changes I can from the text file on first page for my friends car. He was running 25psi on open loop but it was never that smooth to be honest, so we've dropped him to 1 bar boost at the moment put all the put a 3 bar map sensor in scaled it and verified its reading the same as the 2.5 bar did. Reset all the LDRPID stuff and so on.
Tomorrow we're just gonna try this file with the 5120 stuff patched in and see what happens unless someone can before tomorrow verify my asm change locations and tells me they're wrong. My only fear is crashing the ECU but hopefully if it doesn't run right it won't crash and we can just revert back a file version pending further investigation. While going through the text file and scaling maps I noticed the Me1.5.5 doesn't have quite a few of the maps, either missing from my map pack or not in the ECU I'm not sure.. My only other thing to think about is whether there is any other additional maps this ecu might have. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: s5fourdoor on February 08, 2013, 04:33:23 PM Just want to confirm here. Bische, is the part number for your VW TDI 4-bar sensor: 03K906051 ?
Just want to be 100% here that we are talking about the exact same sensor for the 1.8t and 2.7t guys to swap over. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on February 09, 2013, 01:23:11 AM Just want to confirm here. Bische, is the part number for your VW TDI 4-bar sensor: 03K906051 ? Just want to be 100% here that we are talking about the exact same sensor for the 1.8t and 2.7t guys to swap over. Yes, I got mine on darksidedevelopments. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 09, 2013, 11:33:52 AM I confirm that's the part # albeit I am not using mine just yet. I did fit it though, it fits electrically. When ordering, make sure to get that grommet as well (extra few bucks) as that's what makes it fit our TBB hole.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: s5fourdoor on February 09, 2013, 09:22:07 PM 038906051C is the 3-bar TDI sensor, available in the USA....
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on February 09, 2013, 09:24:05 PM 3bar absolute=29psi=stock sensor? Wouldn't you need a minimum of a 4 bar sensor to extend the range?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 09, 2013, 09:27:24 PM 3bar absolute=29psi=stock sensor? Wouldn't you need a minimum of a 4 bar sensor to extend the range? Stock is 2.5 bar = 22.5psi Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on February 09, 2013, 09:30:59 PM Gotcha, wasn't quite sure ;D
I guess 3 bar would be better than stock, but if you're already scaled to properly use a 5 bar it seems a waste of perfectly good headroom. At the very least 4 bar, as I really doubt anyone running stock engine management would exceed that. BTW-I credit this thread in bringing back a few long-absent members. I'm loving it. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 09, 2013, 09:33:00 PM Gotcha, wasn't quite sure ;D I guess 3 bar would be better than stock, but if you're already scaled to properly use a 5 bar it seems a waste of perfectly good headroom. At the very least 4 bar, as I really doubt anyone running stock engine management would exceed that. BTW-I credit this thread in bringing back a few long-absent members. I'm loving it. Even with stock map its worth doing! You get headroom for ps_w... which means no need to under scale maf! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: marcellus on February 09, 2013, 10:39:52 PM I guess the only thing that really bugs me about this is fact that the sensors everybody is using has to be ordered from overseas. I really would like the option of if the MAP sensor failed, my car not being out of commission, or having to carry around a stock Map file on my laptop all the time just in case.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on February 09, 2013, 10:41:51 PM I guess the only thing that really bugs me about this is fact that the sensors everybody is using has to be ordered from overseas. I got my 3 bar (038 906 051 C) from a local audi parts dealer, about 50 bucks Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: marcellus on February 09, 2013, 10:47:08 PM How much boost do you plan on running? I would like to be around 25psi without all the heartache. I thought you would need the extra headroom to keep the PID happy.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on February 09, 2013, 10:50:33 PM plain chinese k04s, so 23-22 psi only
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: jibberjive on February 10, 2013, 01:12:44 AM plain chinese k04s, so 23-22 psi only PCK04's? ;DTitle: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on February 10, 2013, 02:09:25 AM I guess the only thing that really bugs me about this is fact that the sensors everybody is using has to be ordered from overseas. I really would like the option of if the MAP sensor failed, my car not being out of commission, or having to carry around a stock Map file on my laptop all the time just in case. Hey now, just about every performance part I have bought for my Audi was imported from your side of the pond, dont be spoiled about a €50 piece lol What is the failure rate of a MAP sensor? Have your stock sensor failed since the car was new? Im really happy more people getting around to run the 5120, Phila_dot have you found anything more that would need to be changed that is not on the list? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on February 10, 2013, 06:55:32 AM Hey now, just about every performance part I have bought for my Audi was imported from your side of the pond, dont be spoiled about a €50 piece lol What is the failure rate of a MAP sensor? Have your stock sensor failed since the car was new? Im really happy more people getting around to run the 5120, Phila_dot have you found anything more that would need to be changed that is not on the list? Yup, there's alot more. Once I get it all compiled and tested, I will post an XDF and bin file. I agree about the MAP sensor, the failure rate is pretty low. For reference though, the VW 4 bar MAP was ~$90 to my door. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Rabbid on February 10, 2013, 10:04:48 AM Here we go, file attached! Here is what I believe the values to be: 50032 pvdk_w 1013 division #1 50696 pvdk_w 1013 division #2 50D7E fvpdkds 1013 division #1 50F42 fvpdkds 1013 division #2 5143E fho_w 1013 division 522E2 frhodkr_w 1013 division I've tried these settings and we had some weird issues with throttle afterwards as if we're getting intervention. But that said thing's were scaled properly and we were getting ~50KPA on boost request, actual and ambient pressure. If anyone able to take a look at the bin I posted back on page 13 and see if I've got any of these wrong or whether they can find any others that need looking at? What we also got the car thinking there was a boost issue. Total number of fault codes: 1 P1106 - Boost Pressure Control Device Malfunction (09) - Present Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: jibberjive on February 10, 2013, 04:24:01 PM I've never heard of a MAP sensor failing, so probably pretty low.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: s5fourdoor on February 10, 2013, 08:36:02 PM I got my 3 bar (038 906 051 C) from a local audi parts dealer, about 50 bucks So it's basically, after shipping/whatever: 3-bar is $50 and 4-bar is $100. 3-bar is 29 psi, is it worth the extra $50? sure if you are a GT or 770. i'd argue for 605 / FT you still will be 29 psi max. certainly under it with most rs6 turbos too... any thoughts? does it matter if the community moves to one versus the other? we should make it easy to help the user do his own correct choice. imho. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on February 10, 2013, 09:06:53 PM Well, its only two constants. IMO it doesn't matter which...
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: marcellus on February 11, 2013, 08:58:19 AM So it's basically, after shipping/whatever: 3-bar is $50 and 4-bar is $100. 3-bar is 29 psi, is it worth the extra $50? sure if you are a GT or 770. i'd argue for 605 / FT you still will be 29 psi max. certainly under it with most rs6 turbos too... any thoughts? does it matter if the community moves to one versus the other? we should make it easy to help the user do his own correct choice. imho. I agree. Readily available, and more than likely more than I would use. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on February 11, 2013, 11:04:10 AM Sure thing, if you wont use 30psi+ thenstick to the 3bar sensor. You will retain better resolution also.
In my experience it is ps_w that tend to go out of hand and cause trouble, but not anymore :) I was thinking alot at ps_w today at work, I feel ps_w shouldnt behave as it is, mimic'ing rl_w. From my understanding it is supposed to be modeled intake manifold pressure? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 11, 2013, 11:05:55 AM Somehting I might have missed in the other threads... ps_w. After 5120 hack there is no longer a need to run underscaled maf then?
Thanks. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on February 11, 2013, 11:26:15 AM Somehting I might have missed in the other threads... ps_w. After 5120 hack there is no longer a need to run underscaled maf then? Thanks. Yes and no. The problem with running a properly scaled MAF is that 99% of the time you are off the end of pretty much every single load axis. Not that running an underscaled MAF actually fixes this (you're in the table, but just in the wrong row)... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on February 11, 2013, 12:19:16 PM Yes and no. The problem with running a properly scaled MAF is that 99% of the time you are off the end of pretty much every single load axis. Not that running an underscaled MAF actually fixes this (you're in the table, but just in the wrong row)... I have a plan for this, but that will be phase two after I get through all of the 5120 stuff. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on February 11, 2013, 12:24:30 PM Yes and no. The problem with running a properly scaled MAF is that 99% of the time you are off the end of pretty much every single load axis. Not that running an underscaled MAF actually fixes this (you're in the table, but just in the wrong row)... You just rescale the axis, job done. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on February 11, 2013, 12:33:17 PM You just rescale the axis, job done. But you gotta squash all the existing stuff down to fewer rows.... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 11, 2013, 01:44:24 PM But you gotta squash all the existing stuff down to fewer rows.... Regardless if you rescale with unscaled MAF or leave alone and run underscaled MAF you lose resolution in load axis, no? Unless you find a way to introduce more load points, the more load your engine generates, with fixed amount of load points, the more spacing the load points will require to cover full range. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on February 11, 2013, 03:11:21 PM Don't forget that Motronic interpolates between all those points.
You just need to distribute the points so that they cover most of the non-linear ranges. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: jibberjive on February 11, 2013, 07:55:46 PM But you gotta squash all the existing stuff down to fewer rows.... Isn't this the whole benefit of switching to 16bit axis maps, so you essentially double your resolution (or rather don't have to halve the resolution if you were to double the range or whatever)?Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on February 11, 2013, 07:57:24 PM Just sayin, you can't just change the axis data. You have to completely redo the whole map.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on February 12, 2013, 07:39:17 AM Just sayin, you can't just change the axis data. You have to completely redo the whole map. You have been given excel for that. I can change axes on a map within a few seconds and have excel automatically move the values around for me. If you are doing it by hand you are just being silly. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on February 12, 2013, 10:40:43 AM obviously it can be done by software. how else do you think i generate my csvs :P And i definitely dont use excel..
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 14, 2013, 01:54:50 PM I run 5120 hack for a day or two until my clutch took a dump (another engine pull under way) so I can't comment extensively but I believe I observed rather abrupt momentary SA transition when transitioning from positive boost to very light vacuum or 0psi (still tons of load on engine).
This manifested itself with abrupt jerk of car and AFRs on my gauge shooting up for split second. The normal operation would resume immediately but it is definitely noticeable We must have missed some map/axis. I might have logs but if not, I won't be able to log for another week, or so, until new clutch goes in. BTW I smoked 400-500 miles new twin disc clutch with zer olaunches on it and two not lift shifts. The night kevlar disc sheared all the pads off I was simply doing an U e-brake turn and dumped the clutch from about 4k rpms while on snow/ice. The disc basically sheared the pads off. What a POS. (http://home.comcast.net/~julex1/Audi/Build/FX700Failure/FX700_Kevlar%28ShearedOff%29_Disc_BadSide.jpg) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on February 15, 2013, 06:28:28 AM I say this after every one of your posts like this, but I can't believe the terrible luck you've had. And it hasn't been from any cut corners, as you've pretty much bought the most expensive hardware out (twin-disc, 3.0 liter, etc). Your S4 is cursed. What are you replacing it with, carbon discs? And what does SA stand for? SA is overrun fuel cut, some German word abbreviated. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 15, 2013, 06:51:24 AM Yeah, I use "SA" abbreviation to sound cool 8). Taken from overrun maps/variables/etc designators.
I don't believe my "luck" myself, I can pull the engine without thinking now and I don't even bag bolts anymore, I just throw them into a tray all together and can positively identify each one and where it is going :D. I took the engine out more times by now than I removed wheel on this car or changed oil during the time frame I own it. CM gave me an offer to purchase new FX850 for cool $2000 which I might bite considering they retail north of 2500. Since I do have almost new sintered bronze discs for FX700, I will just pawn it off as a unit to somebody who doesn't mind harsh clutch. Other option is one of the one disc extreme models from CM with sachs plate... cheaper but would it hold? Still on the fence. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: s5fourdoor on February 18, 2013, 01:11:13 PM Here is my updated XDF which includes all of these definitions.
Has NLS/ALS explicit, ARMD explicit, and updates from the Ignition Dwell discussions. Does anyone have an XDF with a cleaned up Mono Lambda Support category? I want to add that to this XDF. Please attach just that section, if possible. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 18, 2013, 01:41:41 PM Here is my updated XDF which includes all of these definitions. Has NLS/ALS explicit, ARMD explicit, and updates from the Ignition Dwell discussions. Does anyone have an XDF with a cleaned up Mono Lambda Support category? I want to add that to this XDF. Please attach just that section, if possible. I am lazy :), so quick question: Is this the original list for 5120 or any extras in there from you personally? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: s5fourdoor on February 18, 2013, 02:36:08 PM This is the big XDF i've been maintaining myself, merged with the 5120 30-kb XDF from page 13 of this thread. I made no changes to what was submitted. Any problems that were since found with that XDF are definitely not reflected in what I just uploaded.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 20, 2013, 07:18:34 AM I don't really have time between work and car giving me issues (just replaced clutch and have coolant leak somewhere), but quick peaceful ride today showed that there is something wrong with mbar scaling of new sensor.
Basically ambient pressure doesn't match up to measured one when car is off/idling, off my almost 100mbar which with improper scaling would result in more mbar discrepancy as pressures go up. Pressures match up to 1-2mbar pre-5120 changes. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 20, 2013, 08:41:21 AM Ok, I did some internet searching and info is hard to find but found this info on 4bar sensor 0281006060:
200mbar - 0.215V 3408mbar - 3.803V 4000mbar - 4.461V Plugged both ranges into formula from page 352 and they both came out to 894mbar/V or 447mbar/V (vs 430 as calculated based on 2.5bar specific scaling info extrapolated to 4bar) when putting it into bin with 5120 hack in. That's still doesn't account for my 80mbar difference at atmospheric pressure between two variables especially that they both are calculated using DSLGRAD and DSUOFS... something (missed in 5120 implementation) must be altering pvdks_w Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on February 20, 2013, 08:51:31 AM Post some logs please of pressures matching within 1-2 mbar.
Does not sound very likely, because the turbos are still producing a minuscule amount of boost, even on idle. Depends on your dump valve set up too though. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 20, 2013, 09:14:58 AM Post some logs please of pressures matching within 1-2 mbar. Does not sound very likely, because the turbos are still producing a minuscule amount of boost, even on idle. Depends on your dump valve set up too though. Ok, 4-5mbar POSITIVE (looked at several idling logs), but not 80 negative as in logs posted above... but this is irrelevant to this discussion since the behavior you're bringing up would add to the MAP pressure... and since it does add a few mbar, the real gap is even wider. So... any thoughts? Some minimums kicking in for MAP sensor maybe? I would log B_lde, z_lde (recalling names from memory, whatever they are called in the section calculating sensor pressure reading) and several other variables to narrow this down but have no location addresses. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on February 20, 2013, 09:18:10 AM Is your DSLOFS set right?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 20, 2013, 09:22:43 AM Is your DSLOFS set right? Both psu_w and pvdks_w use DSLOFS in calculations and psu_w appears above 1000mbar for sunny weather I have here today. Again, the problem is that using the same translation table and offset, both variables have much different value when idling / at ambient pressure (plus few mbar as you pointed out) so something is changing/disregarding/correcting pvdks_w in its path probably due to some minimum we missed. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on February 20, 2013, 09:29:37 AM Both psu_w and pvdks_w use DSLOFS in calculations and psu_w appears above 1000mbar for sunny weather I have here today. Again, the problem is that using the same translation table and offset, both variables have much different value when idling / at ambient pressure (plus few mbar as you pointed out) so something is changing/disregarding/correcting pvdks_w in its path probably due to some minimum we missed. pus_w does NOT use DSLOFS. It uses DSUOFS/DSUGRAD. Your DSLOFS is incorrectly defined, that is why your pressure is off. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on February 20, 2013, 09:35:23 AM psu_w?
udsl_w * DSLGRAD + DSLOFS, gets filtered to pvdksf_w, and compared to pvdkmx_w. If pvdksf_w > pvdkmx_w then pvdks_w = pvdkmx_w and B_edsl is set. Else, pvdks_w = pvdksf_w and B_edsl is cleared. The only changes required in this path are DSLGRAD, DSLOFS, and PVDKMX. The filter doesn't need to be touched. PVDKMX shouldn't cause the symptoms that you're seeing. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on February 20, 2013, 09:36:46 AM pus_w does NOT use DSLOFS. It uses DSUOFS/DSUGRAD. Your DSLOFS is incorrectly defined, that is why your pressure is off. I agree. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 20, 2013, 09:57:33 AM pus_w does NOT use DSLOFS. It uses DSUOFS/DSUGRAD. Your DSLOFS is incorrectly defined, that is why your pressure is off. That would explain it. I didn't catch this subtle difference when looking at PDF... so this is missing from 5120 XDF then. Anyway, looking at your XDF from a while ago (auto generated), DSUOFS is zero... My DSLOFS is -4.10hpa (as per bin posted earlier). That's still only 4.1mbar difference between values so unless location of DSUOFS at 0x13DEE is not right...something else is at blame. Please advise. Edit: can this offset be as high as ~40-50mbar? If so, taking inaccuracy of DSLGRAD value, it can be made to work. Edit2: NEver mind edit #1, changing DSLGRAD would keep the gap as wide anyway. Edit3: just noticed that both variables don't share anything, DSUGRAD vs DSLGRAD got me too... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on February 20, 2013, 10:24:56 AM If your DSLGRAD is wrong, that can do it too.
You got the info online, but better would be to get this info from the EDC16 or EDC17 ECU where that sensor is mounted. If you think that DSLOFS could be very small for this sensor, then it makes sense that your DSLGRAD is wrong. Try adjusting your DSLGRAD so it's more in line at idle. Really this is just a problem with the MAP sensor linearization in my opinion. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 20, 2013, 10:28:07 AM If your DSLGRAD is wrong, that can do it too. You got the info online, but better would be to get this info from the EDC16 or EDC17 ECU where that sensor is mounted. If you think that DSLOFS could be very small for this sensor, then it makes sense that your DSLGRAD is wrong. Try adjusting your DSLGRAD so it's more in line at idle. Really this is just a problem with the MAP sensor linearization in my opinion. You're must be right. I will first address DSLGRAD to have actual proper value and see how much I am off. It has to be the offset afterwards. I was confused, yet again, and not noticing that the two varaibles I am comparing are using two completely tables . Dyslexia hits: DSLGRAD vs DSUGRAD Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: jibberjive on February 20, 2013, 11:57:53 AM Happens to me almost without fail everytime I look at the FR. There's only so many 6 letter foreign acronyms that are only one letter off that you can look at before they start melding together.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: s5fourdoor on February 20, 2013, 01:48:15 PM Here's an updated XDF with more axis tables for Boost Section items fleshed out and linked.
General trend has been to take axis definitions and move them into the Axis Sub-Section. Additionally: DSLOFS, DSLGRAD, DSUOFS, DSUGRAD have been cross-checked and verified to be correct versus PRJ's auto-m-xdf. I'll continue to update this as we find changes. Our goal here is to get a completely simplified list to do the swap with little effort. Summary: DSLGRAD: 0x13DEC DSLOFS: 0x13DEE DSUGRAD: 0x1BE68 DSUOFS: 0x1BE6A Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on February 20, 2013, 02:19:15 PM Here's an updated XDF with more axis tables for Boost Section items fleshed out and linked. General trend has been to take axis definitions and move them into the Axis Sub-Section. Additionally: DSLOFS, DSLGRAD, DSUOFS, DSUGRAD have been cross-checked and verified to be correct versus PRJ's auto-m-xdf. I'll continue to update this as we find changes. Our goal here is to get a completely simplified list to do the swap with little effort. Summary: DSLGRAD: 0x13DEC DSLOFS: 0x13DEE DSUGRAD: 0x1BE68 DSUOFS: 0x1BE6A I can tell you that it won't be a simple list or little effort. The 5120 category in my xdf is the length of the screen and still growing. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 20, 2013, 04:21:40 PM I solved the problem with leaning out while taking off some throttle, KFVAKL map was at fault, I reverted to stock one few weeks ago and it was a mistake and large injectors mine anyway) require it to be essentially zeroed out to not cause issues when transitioning to falling loads...
So cross that one off. I also adjusted DSLGRAD so that both pressures are equal at engine stopped. I ended up using 461 hpa/V for DSLGRAD and 3.91 hpa (positive) for DSLOFS. Here are my theoretical calculations per data found on internet and me 7.1 manual: Sensor linearization: 200mbar - 0.215V 3408mbar - 3.803V 4000mbar - 4.461V Stock example: delta y (2500 hPa - 200 hPa) DSLGRAD = --------- ---> ---------------------- = 541 hPa/Volt delta x (4.65 Volt - 0.4 Volt) 4bar MAP: 4000 - 200 ------------- = 894.95 ----> 5120 hack -----> / 2 = 447 4.461 - 0.215 3408 - 200 -------------- = 894.09 ----> 5120 hack -----> / 2 = 447 3.803 - 0.215 DSLOFS: Stock Example: pvdkds = udsl(200hPa)*DSLGRAD + DSLOFS ----> DSLOFS = pvdkds(0.4V) - udsl(200hPa) * DSLGRAD = 200 hPa - 0.4 V * 541 hPa/V = -16.4 hPa 4bar MAP: DSLOFS = 200 - (0.215v * 894 hpa/v) = 200 - 192.21 = 7.79 ----> 5120 hack -----> / 2 = 3.895 I was still off by some 20-30 mbar after this so I asdjusted DSLGRAD until the pressures matched, I didn't bother with properly scaling DSLOFS since it would only change by 1mbar if that, no point touching it. Sensor's measurement error is much higher than this. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: 99pwr on February 21, 2013, 02:32:51 AM Try with DSLGRAD 437.5 and DSLOFS 31.25
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 21, 2013, 07:16:40 AM Try with DSLGRAD 437.5 and DSLOFS 31.25 Can you elaborate why these values? If shooting in the dark, one can really adjust stuff randomly until it matches... I can tell right off the bat that it would probably no work anyway since it wouldn't make up for about 80mbar discrepancy I was experiencing when using 437 and -4mbar for offset... I will be comparing actual boost level to zeitronix and manual gauge sometime near future to see if scaling value is ok. Not until my clutch breaks in though. Anyway, who else is using the sensor? Am I the only one, lol?... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: 99pwr on February 21, 2013, 08:10:23 AM I use the same sensor as you for my drag car. At first I had the same problem , I searched linearization of the sensor but I have not found it. Another 4 bar sensor which I've used very often but in diesel cars with BT is 0 281 002 316 and for this linearisation is: 500mbar at 0.5V and 4000mbar at 4.5V. This calibration we used to my car and the result is satisfactory.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: elRey on February 21, 2013, 08:24:01 AM Why not test the sensor and record actual pressure vs voltage?
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?4503658-Diode-clamped-MAP-voltage-vs-stock-voltage-gt-log-graph&highlight=map Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 21, 2013, 10:21:26 AM I use the same sensor as you for my drag car. At first I had the same problem , I searched linearization of the sensor but I have not found it. Another 4 bar sensor which I've used very often but in diesel cars with BT is 0 281 002 316 and for this linearisation is: 500mbar at 0.5V and 4000mbar at 4.5V. This calibration we used to my car and the result is satisfactory. Cool. I will give it a try. A long time ago I found specs for map sensors on bosch site and the one you listed struck me as a fit for our cars: http://rb-aa.bosch.com/boaasocs/index.jsp;jsessionid=A33AAEE16429B168F3E582158D1DE99D.sundoro?ccat_id=110&prod_id=203 It makes sense that they would use common chip for measuring pressure (motorola freescale?) and only stuff it into different part# for specific applications. Coincidentally, that sensor looks like a better fit for our cars since it is a 'fat' inlet from factory? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on February 21, 2013, 11:38:39 AM Anyway, who else is using the sensor? Am I the only one, lol?... 03K906051? I am using that sensor :) I dont get what is the problem? You have to enter hPa/voltage, its just a single constant and you have the ambient pressure sensor for reference. Compare vs pu_w, if it doesnt match up, just pu_w / pvdkds_w and apply the factor to current DSLGRAD. When it matches, back calculate the linearization point values using the FR formula and then re-calculate DSLOFS. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 21, 2013, 01:00:03 PM 03K906051? I am using that sensor :) I dont get what is the problem? You have to enter hPa/voltage, its just a single constant and you have the ambient pressure sensor for reference. Compare vs pu_w, if it doesnt match up, just pu_w / pvdkds_w and apply the factor to current DSLGRAD. When it matches, back calculate the linearization point values using the FR formula and then re-calculate DSLOFS. Roger... but I wanted them to match up after using specs not working them backwards from differences between pressures. Sounds like the official specs for different part# 4 bar MAP should work 100% accurately and I will check that in couple of hours. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on February 21, 2013, 01:05:11 PM Roger... but I wanted them to match up after using specs not working them backwards from differences between pressures. Sounds like the official specs for different part# 4 bar MAP should work 100% accurately and I will check that in couple of hours. Yeah I understand, FWIW I had a 5.4% difference from the spec you posted. IIRC britishturbo also had have like 6% diff from the FR calculated value on his homebrew sensor. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 21, 2013, 03:03:59 PM Ok, confirmed. 437.5 and 31.25 (thanks to 99pwr for pointing me towards this direction!) which are calculated values for bosch 0 281 002 316 are spot on for this one. My pressure differential with engine off is 2mbar, that's 0.2% discrepancy and essentially dead on within reason considering there are two separate sensors measuring these...
DSLGRAD = (4000-500) / (4.5-0.5) = 3500/4 = 875 ---- 5120 hack ----> / 2 = 437.5 DSLOFS = (500) - (0.5 * 875) = 500 - 437.5 = 62.5 --- 5120 hack ----> / 2 = 31.25 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: s5fourdoor on February 21, 2013, 03:57:15 PM Ok, confirmed. 437.5 and 31.25 (thanks to 99pwr for pointing me towards this direction!) which are calculated values for bosch 0 281 002 316 are spot on for this one. My pressure differential with engine off is 2mbar, that's 0.2% discrepancy and essentially dead on within reason considering there are two separate sensors measuring these... DSLGRAD = (4000-500) / (4.5-0.5) = 3500/4 = 875 ---- 5120 hack ----> / 2 = 437.5 DSLOFS = (500) - (0.5 * 875) = 500 - 437.5 = 62.5 --- 5120 hack ----> / 2 = 31.25 What did you have DSUGRAD and DSUOFS set to? Looking forward to progress. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 21, 2013, 04:00:17 PM What did you have DSUGRAD and DSUOFS set to? Looking forward to progress. These are set to whatever 5120 bin had in it. It seems spot on, 1008 mbar today, sunny here. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on February 21, 2013, 05:24:00 PM What did you have DSUGRAD and DSUOFS set to? Looking forward to progress. They are just scaled down (divided by 2) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 25, 2013, 12:25:11 PM Let's talk PID control.
Am I right that the PID control will be all messed up with the 5120 hack? Seems like KFLDRQ2 axis is changed (most important one) but there are other parameters and they all have output in %/hpa. Since we are halving hpa change by half, shouldn't the tables be multiplied by two then? List: LDRQ0S LDRQ0DY LDRQ1ST LDRQ1DY KFLDRQ2 (done?) Without Q0 and Q1 changes, the PID will have hell of a time (or fail altogether) in keeping desired boost. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on February 25, 2013, 01:14:07 PM Let's talk PID control. Am I right that the PID control will be all messed up with the 5120 hack? Seems like KFLDRQ2 axis is changed (most important one) but there are other parameters and they all have output in %/hpa. Since we are halving hpa change by half, shouldn't the tables be multiplied by two then? List: LDRQ0S LDRQ0DY LDRQ1ST LDRQ1DY KFLDRQ2 (done?) Without Q0 and Q1 changes, the PID will have hell of a time (or fail altogether) in keeping desired boost. Percentage doesn't change. 500mbar is 90% of 550mbar the same as 1000 is 90% of 1100mbar. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 25, 2013, 01:27:25 PM Percentage doesn't change. 500mbar is 90% of 550mbar the same as 1000 is 90% of 1100mbar. I did a quote from ME manual which was an excerpt and out of context really. The outputs from tables/scalars for PID control are converted "change from %/100hPa to %/hPa" (divide by 100) with a footnote that the part I copied "%/hPa", should really read "% / 1hPa". As such, they are unit of pressure dependent. When ECU is reading 50hpa difference and tries to match it, it calculates change in DC for 1/2 of what it should be using which is 100hpa. Hence the quotients should be multiplied by two, I assume unless I am not thinking straight (keep in mind I don't really know how this is all calculated so don't blast me!) Anyway, my empirical preliminary pulls indicate that PID controller is unable to control boost on my 770s, once it overshoots it never pulls out enough DC to even stop boost increase. It might be my completely inadequete KFLDRL which I need to still calibrate, but I suspect PID controller is out of balance as far as dynamic control goes as well as the quotients are not scaled to reflect 5120 change (well, one is but the others are not). Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on February 25, 2013, 01:29:35 PM I'll have to check when I get home, but I don't remember that being the case.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on February 25, 2013, 08:10:53 PM Im 99.9% sure julex is right, altough it looks a bit different in my binary as all my dynamic q0/q1/q2 are KF's, they all have the lde axis which I have documentend and scaled 50%.
But, the static q0/q1 I have indeed overlooked and should be increased by 100% as the input is halfed with this hack :) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on February 25, 2013, 08:16:39 PM My reading of the FR (and the Q0/Q1/Q2) tables tells me that they all need to be scaled - for maps with lde, plsol, etc as input, those axis, for scalars their values have to be scaled (since they directly multiply lde).
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on February 25, 2013, 08:22:18 PM Updated the .txt and uploaded, also included the variances in 2.7tt PID components :)
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 25, 2013, 10:09:17 PM Glad to see you guys making further progress on this!
I've been super busy lately and haven't had a chance to post on here... Looking forward to getting my 3,0 build done so I can carry on working on this! As far as sensor calibration the way I dialed in my slopes was as follows: Stock MAP Sensor + Stock Code: Record MAP Sensor pressure in VagCom with Engine off Flash Stock MAP Sensor + 5120 Code: Confirm MAP Sensor pressure in VagCom Flash 400kpa MAP Sensor + 5120 Code: Record MAP Sensor pressure in VagCom (Calculated values for MAP sensor) Scale hpa/v as needed to get MAP reading ambient correctly Flash Check MAP Sensor pressure in VagCom - Do a happy dance Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 26, 2013, 11:40:51 AM Small setback... while calibrating my KFLDRL @ 60 WGDC, my TBB popped off the throttle body @ 34psi of pressure and took out my shiny new 4bar MAP sensor... The neck cleanly sheared off the main sensor body since I had it on a bracket...
Note to everyone: Don't use factory bracket with high boost application and aftermarket bi-pipes without mounting tabs that fasten them to TB covers... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on February 26, 2013, 12:02:50 PM Small setback... while calibrating my KFLDRL @ 60 WGDC, my TBB popped off the throttle body @ 34psi of pressure and took out my shiny new 4bar MAP sensor... The neck cleanly sheared off the main sensor body since I had it on a bracket... Note to everyone: Don't use factory bracket with high boost application and aftermarket bi-pipes without mounting tabs that fasten them to TB covers... Damn that really sucks... I'm glad with the single setup I won't have to worry about that given I use a pipe with a welded on flange. If you want I can send you my ghetto 4 bar sensor to use while you wait for a new one, I was going to just get a new one anyway. PM me your addy if you want it. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 26, 2013, 01:04:06 PM Damn that really sucks... I'm glad with the single setup I won't have to worry about that given I use a pipe with a welded on flange. If you want I can send you my ghetto 4 bar sensor to use while you wait for a new one, I was going to just get a new one anyway. PM me your addy if you want it. Thanks for offer but no rush. Even though it ripped itself out, I can move it around to touch TBB and therefore not have gaping hole in there. So long I don't boost the engine (it goers rich), it works fine without any codes. I'll have a look at it tonight, I have a few old 2.5bar ones, I will see about transplanting internals to old sensor body. It will also give me a good look at what's inside :) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on February 26, 2013, 03:56:47 PM i know that you guys already accepted this, but I took a look at lditv_w and Julex is right.
I haven't done this part of LDRPID yet in my 5120 travels, but I'm going to just finish the function since I'm already in there. Edit: Since leaving home, I decided that I should've said my initial interpretation is that Julex is correct. I want to take another look when I get home before confirming 100%. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on February 26, 2013, 07:58:36 PM 100% confirmed Julex is correct.
lditv_w in my 5120 file with lde of 10mbar (original ME7L scale) and ldrki_w of 0.6 is identical to original M box with lde of 20mbar and ldrki_w of 0.3. Sorry, I just like to be thorough. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on February 27, 2013, 08:20:54 AM Cool, one more kink straightened out then. Once I have new sensor in, I will continue to tune the car and report back.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: lulu2003 on March 01, 2013, 02:59:13 AM another question that do already relate to quite slighty tunes: did anyone consider to alter the system constant sy_mdnorm (MDI) in the code to a higher value?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: daniel2345 on March 03, 2013, 04:43:01 PM Im currently going through all this for a Volvo ME7.
I have a short note on DLDR. I think lde has half values with this mod and then you should alter DLUL and EDLDRP also. Same with ELDOB in LDOB. BR, Daniel Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: masterj on March 05, 2013, 12:25:51 AM Guys, I don't know if you already seen this but KFLDHBN maxes out at ~3 BAR of boost and it will limit LDRXN/LDRXNZK. Have you found a way to overcome this?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on March 06, 2013, 05:03:56 AM Guys, I don't know if you already seen this but KFLDHBN maxes out at ~3 BAR of boost and it will limit LDRXN/LDRXNZK. Have you found a way to overcome this? I dont think most people will have problems with that, if one wishes to run 3bar+ then a simple load underscale would do the trick :) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on March 06, 2013, 09:55:33 AM Guys, I don't know if you already seen this but KFLDHBN maxes out at ~3 BAR of boost and it will limit LDRXN/LDRXNZK. Have you found a way to overcome this? 3.98 pressure ratio or ~ 43psi... somehow I don't think it will be a problem for anybody but a guy or two but then they can just underscale the maf by a little and that's it. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on March 09, 2013, 10:17:31 PM Ok, replacement MAP sensor is in, I will resume testing but so far, driving without any boost, the car behaved pretty well with 5120 modification and on stock MAP sensor for last week.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: s5fourdoor on March 12, 2013, 03:56:13 PM Hi Julex - Can you please upload a sample .bin file with the current set of changes you've made? Better yet - if you can, a stock m-box with just the 5120 changes? If you can't do that, just PM me or email me the bin and I'll modify it myself to be more like a stock m-box, so that other people can rapidly resume testing with your findings. Thanks man...
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on March 21, 2013, 12:30:09 PM Hi Julex - Can you please upload a sample .bin file with the current set of changes you've made? Better yet - if you can, a stock m-box with just the 5120 changes? If you can't do that, just PM me or email me the bin and I'll modify it myself to be more like a stock m-box, so that other people can rapidly resume testing with your findings. Thanks man... I can upload a fresh M-Box base. I uploaded one before and there's very few changes from it... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on March 21, 2013, 12:42:43 PM Hmm since i have the 2nd post in the thread, i can use it as a placeholder to put reference stock bins... Sounds Good. Here's the latest M-Box versions. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on March 21, 2013, 01:20:05 PM What's left to do to finish up the m-box? Is this still a prototype, or are we nearing the final revision? I ask because I'll have cause to use 5bar maf support this week, and can do whatever logging is necessary.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on March 21, 2013, 02:22:36 PM I've gone through about 75-80% of all of the pressure variable references and code and created a bin and xdf.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to move forward at all recently because my computer is basically a paperweight at the moment. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: s5fourdoor on March 24, 2013, 01:59:52 PM This is close enough that I might just give this a shot. My car is my daily driver, so this would have to be a bolt on and flash type affair. I'm super picky about code and math, as many of the regulars on the board know already. In other words, if I can get this running, we'll be in full beta; not to say other people attempting aren't important - actually quite the opposite. Rather that this thread has really gone a long way...
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: maZer.GTi on March 24, 2013, 07:15:19 PM Does anyone have done a 06A906032 ecu with the 5120 hack?
I cant find the necessary maps :( Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: catbed on March 25, 2013, 07:56:39 AM Does anyone have done a 06A906032 ecu with the 5120 hack? I cant find the necessary maps :( Dunno how similar my 018CH file is to your 032, but I'm about 75% done with identifying all the maps in Bische's text file. I'll upload the map pack when I'm done. How are you trying to identify them? I used a combo of Bische's .bin and the fully defined TT225 ols. I was able to find all of the maps/constants except in the modules LDRPID, LDUVST, and RKTI. Most of the maps in those 3 sections are already defined though, that was just the point where I stopped. PS. Many thanks to all who are involved in this project. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on March 25, 2013, 08:46:47 AM Dunno how similar my 018CH file is to your 032, but I'm about 75% done with identifying all the maps in Bische's text file. I'll upload the map pack when I'm done. How are you trying to identify them? I used a combo of Bische's .bin and the fully defined TT225 ols. I was able to find all of the maps up except LDRPID, LDUVST, and RKTI. Most of the maps in those 3 sections are already defined though, that was just the point where I stopped. PS. Many thanks to all who are involved in this project. Have you cracked open the FR at all? Those aren't maps, they are functions. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: catbed on March 25, 2013, 09:15:04 AM Have you cracked open the FR at all? Those aren't maps, they are functions. Yes, lol. I misspoke. I meant I found all the maps except for the ones in those modules. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: maZer.GTi on March 25, 2013, 04:50:39 PM Im trying to find it by comparing my 06A906032KP with the 518M File.
here is my current status, but i not tested and im not sure in some maps ( functions ) FRLFSDP - 1CD3C ( Pressure Axis: 1CD26 ) KFLDIOPU - 198C8 ( Pressure Axis: 100CE ) LDEIAO - 19908 LDEIAP - 19909 LDEIAPS - 1990A LDEIAU - 1990B KFLDIMX - 1E7A2 ( Pressure Axis: 15E4A ) KFLDRQ0 - 1EA34 ( Pressure Axis: 10071 ) KFLDRQ1 - 1EAB4 ( Pressure Axis: 10071 ) KFLDRQ2 - 1EB34 ( Pressure Axis: 10071 ) NLDIAPU - 1EC43 ( Pressure Axis: 1EC41 ) PBKVVSTGPV - 28A4E ( Pressure Axis: 28A42 ) PUEBKV - 28A5A FLAMPA - 14282 ( Pressure Axis: 1426E ) PADMSA - 1BBD0 ( Pressure Axis: 1BBC4 ) PUELSU - 1BBDC DSLGRAD - 14EDA DSLOFS - 14EDC ZDSU - 18A25 DPDSVLU - 1C816 DSUGRAD - 1C83A PUE - 1C83E PUMN - 1C840 PUMX - 1C842 PVDKMN - 1C846 DPUPS - 10D63 KFDLULS - 1F135 ( Pressure Axis: 1F12D ) KFDPVL - 27D18 ( Pressure Axis: 28830 ) KMLTESG - 27D3C KISRM - 1A55E KFPRG - 1C6BC KFURL - 1C758 KVLAD - 10D48 PSSOLNGRD - 14E96 PSSOLPF - 14E98 PSSOLPGRD - 14E9A FHOKH - 1D248 MSNPCV - 19420 ( Pressure Axis: 19412 ) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: catbed on March 27, 2013, 07:42:22 PM Im trying to find it by comparing my 06A906032KP with the 518M File. here is my current status, but i not tested and im not sure in some maps ( functions ) *snip* That looks like a pretty complete list. What are you missing? The pressure constants? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on March 27, 2013, 08:20:53 PM BTW Bische just a heads up, you're missing LDIATA in your ols. For everybody else, its 8 bytes @19C5C LDIATA is I limit correction for tans, why would that need to be scaled? :) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: catbed on March 27, 2013, 08:33:58 PM LDIATA is I limit correction for tans, why would that need to be scaled? :) Oh boy. I need to take a break from trying to find these maps. I'm confusing myself. Sorry about that. :P EDIT: So I'm having trouble finding KFLDRQ0 and Q1. KFLDRQ2 is defined already as an 8x4 map, unlike both the TT225 and Bische's .ols. Can Someone lend a hand perhaps? Q0, Q1, Q3, NLDIAPU, and UMDYLDR are the only maps I cannot locate. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on March 27, 2013, 11:32:01 PM Oh boy. I need to take a break from trying to find these maps. I'm confusing myself. Sorry about that. :P EDIT: So I'm having trouble finding KFLDRQ0 and Q1. KFLDRQ2 is defined already as an 8x4 map, unlike both the TT225 and Bische's .ols. Can Someone lend a hand perhaps? Q0, Q1, Q3, NLDIAPU, and UMDYLDR are the only maps I cannot locate. Happens to the best of us ;) What software? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: catbed on March 30, 2013, 03:02:18 PM Another thing. Bische, I noticed LDUVST is not defined in your OLS, but is in the accompanying text. Any reason why?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: maZer.GTi on April 01, 2013, 02:30:49 PM That looks like a pretty complete list. What are you missing? The pressure constants? Im sorry but can you show me an example for pressure constant? Pressure Constant is the 10mbar Constant? Im not sure this will working or not, i cannot test it now. But if i get it tested anywhere i do ols file and upload it :) thanks Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: catbed on April 02, 2013, 09:50:03 PM Im sorry but can you show me an example for pressure constant? Pressure Constant is the 10mbar Constant? Im not sure this will working or not, i cannot test it now. But if i get it tested anywhere i do ols file and upload it :) thanks By pressure constants I mean ASM divisions. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on April 08, 2013, 09:33:15 AM BTW I'm going to buy either 3 or 5 of the 4 Bar MAP sensors so I'll have a small stock in the states if anyone needs one then.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on April 08, 2013, 09:39:44 AM BTW I'm going to buy either 3 or 5 of the 4 Bar MAP sensors so I'll have a small stock in the states if anyone needs one then. Either 3 or 5 huh? What about 4? No consideration for 4. I kid. I just ordered 3 myself. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on April 08, 2013, 09:41:09 AM Either 3 or 5 huh? What about 4? No consideration for 4. I kid. I just ordered 3 myself. LMAO nope... 4 seems a silly number lol Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: rnagy86 on May 03, 2013, 04:58:43 AM So I've received my MAP sensor and I've installed it but the rubber reducer does not really go well
with the rubber/silicone TBB. I was not able to get it in there properly. I've tried different types of clamps but I can just pull the whole damn thing out by applying enough force by hand. How did you guys install this properly? Thanks Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: masterj on May 03, 2013, 05:42:01 AM So I've received my MAP sensor and I've installed it but the rubber reducer does not really go well with the rubber/silicone TBB. I was not able to get it in there properly. I've tried different types of clamps but I can just pull the whole damn thing out by applying enough force by hand. How did you guys install this properly? Thanks My ic kit came with aluminium part where i just tapped map sensor Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Axis on May 03, 2013, 12:07:05 PM ... but I can just pull the whole damn thing out by applying enough force by hand. Much force?I would guess that there is zero risk that boost would make it pop out. The diameter is too small. You cannot compare large pipes and this. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on May 03, 2013, 02:40:37 PM Much force? I would guess that there is zero risk that boost would make it pop out. The diameter is too small. You cannot compare large pipes and this. That's what happened to him in 3rd gear pull today. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: rnagy86 on May 04, 2013, 03:08:03 AM I looked at it today again and it seems to me that the real issue was that the hole is not cut straight on the TBB so the clamp actually helped pushing the damn thing out because the reducer gasket's height is quiet small. I will try to use a single ear hose clamp because the that is way smaller than a regular clamp and if that does not work, well I will try to make an aluminum adapter.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: amd is the best on June 03, 2013, 11:48:00 AM Has anyone calculated/tested DSLOFS and DSLGRAD for the VAG 3 bar sensor (038906051C)?
I manually calulated them however im still waiting for the sensor to arrive to test. Just want to see if what I came up with is correct. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: 99pwr on June 03, 2013, 01:31:26 PM Search in 2.0tfsi s3 or ed30 files.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on June 03, 2013, 01:45:42 PM Yepper, considering that sensor is OEM, just snag the values from a file that uses it, and divide them by 2.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: amd is the best on June 03, 2013, 03:18:59 PM I hate to clutter this thread but I don't have access to either of those files without WinOLS.. Could someone kindly post the values for the benefit of this hack/thread?
Or an XDF/Bin and I'll look them up. :) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: amd is the best on June 05, 2013, 11:32:11 AM Anyone?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on June 08, 2013, 01:31:31 PM Anyone? Hit me up later and I'll help you out bud. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on June 08, 2013, 01:32:24 PM Time for a 5 bar map...
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q755/britishturbo/188fats-gs_zps4b4793f0.png) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: 99pwr on June 08, 2013, 01:51:40 PM Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Snow Trooper on June 08, 2013, 05:04:40 PM Nice Lee, very nice!
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on June 17, 2013, 07:45:09 AM I am having problems controlling part throttle angle causing overboost on big turbo (this is without WG activity). Essentially the ECU is overestimating how much throttle to use to reach needed boost level and it overshoots the target by a lot.
It is clear to me that something in FUEDK (throttle control) is awry so I looked at diagrams and I think I found missed "1013" constant: (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-k2UDoNdjZ34/Ub8gQllSYDI/AAAAAAAAKfU/SNhUlVhGIO4/w1167-h801-no/FUEDK_UMPSPI.GIF) At least I don't see it in list posted in original post and as I don't have a tuning laptop with me, I have no convenient access to XDFs etc that we have for 5120 hack. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on June 17, 2013, 08:01:05 AM What would that be in the xdf? I'll take a look.
Nice paint skills btw. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on June 17, 2013, 08:05:07 AM Julex,
Can you post some logs of what you are seeing? I've never noticed any part throttle problems... my part throttle is super smooth - my WG spring is about 22psi btw if that makes any difference. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on June 17, 2013, 08:47:07 AM Julex, Can you post some logs of what you are seeing? I've never noticed any part throttle problems... my part throttle is super smooth - my WG spring is about 22psi btw if that makes any difference. I have 20ish WG spring too. I will post logs later this week. Are you telling me that when you step on it 50-60% torque (engine would need say 10psi of boost to fulfill the request), the car boosts up without overshot far over 10psi? Mine is shooting over to 17-18 and it takes it time to modulate throttle and lower boost to whatever value it needs to be for a given torque request. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on June 17, 2013, 08:50:11 AM I have 20ish WG spring too. I will post logs later this week. Are you telling me that when you step on it 50-60% torque (engine would need say 10psi of boost to fulfill the request), the car boosts up without overshot far over 10psi? Mine is shooting over to 17-18 and it takes it time to modulate throttle and lower boost to whatever value it needs to be for a given torque request. I don't remember ever having seen that happen... but I wasn't specifically looking for it. What does your KFMIRL and KFMIOP look like? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on June 17, 2013, 12:38:10 PM Regarding frhodkr_w.
I found it in XDF definition so it is a blind alley... grrr... Ok, back to drawing boards. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on June 17, 2013, 12:40:12 PM Regarding frhodkr_w. I found it in XDF definition so it is a blind alley... grrr... Ok, back to drawing boards. Want me to post my KFMIRL and KFMIOP and you can try those? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on June 17, 2013, 03:56:08 PM Want me to post my KFMIRL and KFMIOP and you can try those? Please. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on June 17, 2013, 04:19:56 PM I don't think IOP or IRL will help. It would be evident in rlsol.
Like prj said, the answer's in FUEDK. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 17, 2013, 08:10:30 AM Anybody has pre 5120 hack log showing PSSOL_W values?
What are they showing at idle/low load, is it at/over 1000mbar or does it is below 1000mbar anywhere? I am still having weird issues with part throttle where car goes into palpitations mode and the pssol_w sticks out having values under 1000mbar, it is about 370-400mbar at idle and 700-800 in the area where engine starts jerking at around 0-1psi where the pvdks_w shows positive small pressure at throttle. In ME7 logger, I have the conversion set to x 0.0781250 like any other 5120 hack pressure variables from stock x 0.0390625. I don't think it is me7 logger conversion though as during high-part and WOT the pressures more or less match. I am just wondering, provided the logger shows true value of pssol_w, if there is something missing in 5120 changes that screws up pssol_w and confuses the hell out of the car. Thanks in advance for suggestions. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on July 19, 2013, 03:44:10 AM pssol_w is requested manifold pressure.
Im going to give some hints as I havent seen this up for discussion yet: Put KISRM back to stock, it has nothing to do with scaling ps_w, it is just an integrator. It is there to tune the response of ps_w vs. airflow. All scaling to ps_w is done in KFURL, both down and back up. KFURL along with KFPRG is imo the two most important maps as they are stating the engines VE for the fueling, throttle control and boost control. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 19, 2013, 08:04:50 AM pssol_w is requested manifold pressure. Im going to give some hints as I havent seen this up for discussion yet: Put KISRM back to stock, it has nothing to do with scaling ps_w, it is just an integrator. It is there to tune the response of ps_w vs. airflow. All scaling to ps_w is done in KFURL, both down and back up. KFURL along with KFPRG is imo the two most important maps as they are stating the engines VE for the fueling, throttle control and boost control. KISRM is used to calculate fvisrm_w which then is used as multiplier to obtain ps_w so I think that not scaling KISRM will make ps_w completely off, 2x as large as it should be? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on July 19, 2013, 08:11:14 AM KISRM is used to calculate fvisrm_w which then is used as multiplier to obtain ps_w so I think that not scaling KISRM will make ps_w completely off, 2x as large as it should be? Correct. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on July 19, 2013, 08:26:45 AM Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 19, 2013, 08:55:56 AM Wrong. Look at the algorithm. Please explain... I am not seeing where that is wrong.... unless the assembly code does things differently which I would not know about :) : Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on July 19, 2013, 09:17:29 AM Please explain... I am not seeing where that is wrong.... unless the assembly code does things differently which I would not know about :) : The answer is right there in your first pic, it is an recursion where rlroh_w is always subtracted by rl_w and turns the KISRM mulu into its role as an integrator. The KFURL/KFPRG calcs is by far the most brainmelting section to get a grasp of. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on July 19, 2013, 10:33:06 AM Wrong. Look at the algorithm. So in your opinion, which variable do you change to scale ps_w? There is a 1013 multiplication in fvisrm_w, but whether you scale this multiplication OR you scale KISRM makes no difference per algorithm. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 19, 2013, 12:27:08 PM On a side note:
I noticed that supplied converted value of KISRM was wrong due to not enough decimal points defined in XDF and tuner pro rounding up stuff based on number of decimal places displayed (lol on that one...). Original M-box 0.122513, bin 0.059998, should be 0.061249 (closest to prefect value). The difference was 2%, not a huge one but it was there. I am still awaiting the outcome of KISRM discussion though. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on July 19, 2013, 01:35:15 PM So in your opinion, which variable do you change to scale ps_w? There is a 1013 multiplication in fvisrm_w, but whether you scale this multiplication OR you scale KISRM makes no difference per algorithm. KFURL with the offset of KFPRG. The mulu in fvisrm_w is 10.13, which saves 2 decimals in the final compution/sync, likely to stay inside 8bit limitation and/or give more granularity to KISRM. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on July 19, 2013, 02:58:43 PM Just checked and I didn't touch KISRM either.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 19, 2013, 04:57:34 PM Ok then, I will revert to stock and see what is going on with the changes.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on July 20, 2013, 12:18:22 AM KFURL with the offset of KFPRG. The mulu in fvisrm_w is 10.13, which saves 2 decimals in the final compution/sync, likely to stay inside 8bit limitation and/or give more granularity to KISRM. Except that KFURL has no effect whatsoever on ps_w and KFPRG is just an addition, which is added AFTER ps_w gets calculated. So, what do you modify to scale ps_w? Also, KISRM is 16 bit, and ftsr is movbz'd to a word anyway. So the KISRM by ftsr mult is also 16 bit, and the 10.13 mult is 16 bit as well. No, you are not gaining any useful precision whatsoever. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on July 20, 2013, 01:36:04 AM Except that KFURL has no effect whatsoever on ps_w and KFPRG is just an addition, which is added AFTER ps_w gets calculated. So, what do you modify to scale ps_w? Also, KISRM is 16 bit, and ftsr is movbz'd to a word anyway. So the KISRM by ftsr mult is also 16 bit, and the 10.13 mult is 16 bit as well. No, you are not gaining any useful precision whatsoever. Yes it does really put the shape on ps_w, it is the map to tune ps_w(and requested, pssol_w). As I said, this algo is really hard to get a grasp of, but once you do youll be saying "oh shit" to yourself. Just make a 10% change to cell affecting idle and slap it your RS4 and tell me what results it had. I know KISRM and ftsr is words, but you need to look further. Where actual load rl_w is extracted, it is also calculated in 8bit as rl which is our imfamous big game variable. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on July 20, 2013, 01:49:12 AM my impression was that the primary purpose of the (eponymous) 5120 hack is NOT precision, but to overcome the 2059mbar limit.
To that end, i thought the purpose of this subthead is to discuss to halve both ps_w and pssol_w properly, and not so much worrying about the precision of the 8 bit rl.. Or am I missing something obvious? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on July 20, 2013, 04:31:15 AM my impression was that the primary purpose of the (eponymous) 5120 hack is NOT precision, but to overcome the 2059mbar limit. To that end, i thought the purpose of this subthead is to discuss to halve both ps_w and pssol_w properly, and not so much worrying about the precision of the 8 bit rl.. Or am I missing something obvious? No youre right, it has no meaning to discuss the precision, I just accidently sidetracked this a bit with prj. My meaning was to say why the fvisrm_w is calculated with 10.13 instead of the regular 1013, is to put less strain in the algorithm. If you look further at the calculation of ps_w it is crystal clear, there are further computions. You could have 1013 there instead of 10.13 and it would work anyway, youll just end up with two decimals higher values in KFURL/PRG and there is where more important precision would be lost. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on July 20, 2013, 06:37:23 AM Yes it does really put the shape on ps_w, it is the map to tune ps_w(and requested, pssol_w). As I said, this algo is really hard to get a grasp of, but once you do youll be saying "oh shit" to yourself. Just make a 10% change to cell affecting idle and slap it your RS4 and tell me what results it had. Look, once again. KFURL has no effect on ps_w whatsoever. How about you actually disassemble the code and look. Only thing KFURL really affects is how much boost the ECU will request to reach a certain req. load (yes I know it is used for other things as well). I don't need to "slap" anything anywhere, I change this map all the time on non-standard setups. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 22, 2013, 07:04:55 AM More fuel for thought.
The pull below is 2nd gear one which resulted in leaning out up top drastically due to PS_W dropping inexplicably at normal maf flow and boost level readouts. PS_W drops in 0.1s from 3320 to 2673 (and so does engine load), that's 20% drop all of the sudden. My Zeitronix AFR ("WB_AFR_b1" or "WB_Lambda_b1") reports corresponding increase in AFR as the PS_W dips and interestingly, msdk_w (air flow over throttle) bumps up at the same cell by 1.6x from previous one. This is with newly reset KISRM to stock value. I didn't see that in previous logs with halved KISRM. It seems like PS_W calculation is fubarred now with stock KISRM given that everything else seems normal for a pull... how is everyone else with stock KISRM? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on July 22, 2013, 10:22:46 AM More fuel for thought. The pull below is 2nd gear one which resulted in leaning out up top drastically due to PS_W dropping inexplicably at normal maf flow and boost level readouts. PS_W drops in 0.1s from 3320 to 2673 (and so does engine load), that's 20% drop all of the sudden. My Zeitronix AFR ("WB_AFR_b1" or "WB_Lambda_b1") reports corresponding increase in AFR as the PS_W dips and interestingly, msdk_w (air flow over throttle) bumps up at the same cell by 1.6x from previous one. This is with newly reset KISRM to stock value. I didn't see that in previous logs with halved KISRM. It seems like PS_W calculation is fubarred now with stock KISRM given that everything else seems normal for a pull... how is everyone else with stock KISRM? Looks like a cam changeover point to me(just like it switches at 4500rpms), the change in ps_w just much more abrupt now with double the KISRM(assuming you went from halfed stock KISRM, back to stock). Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 22, 2013, 10:53:12 AM Looks like a cam changeover point to me(just like it switches at 4500rpms), the change in ps_w just much more abrupt now with double the KISRM(assuming you went from halfed stock KISRM, back to stock). Doesn't it? Except that I don't see MAF flow change which usually is a result of switching cams off (you can see a notch) and that my changeover is at 4k. I will log the same with KISRM halved next to ensure I have no other issues. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on July 22, 2013, 01:43:57 PM Doesn't it? Except that I don't see MAF flow change which usually is a result of switching cams off (you can see a notch) and that my changeover is at 4k. I will log the same with KISRM halved next to ensure I have no other issues. Post your KFURL, this is a great example. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on July 22, 2013, 03:44:39 PM Sat down and looked through all the code, as the docs really do not state clearly how this actually works.
ps_w at startup is initialized to pu_w. After that ps_w is never completely re-assigned. Basically what happens is, delta manifold pressure is calculated and then added to ps_w. It subtracts rl_w from rlroh_w to get the delta between current load and load from MAF and this delta is multiplied by fvisrm_w, which is (KISRM * ftsr). If it is not zero, it is either added or subtracted from ps_w, and we get the new ps_w value. Basically fvisrm_w is conversion from load into pressure (opposite of KFURL). After that ps_w is converted to load via KFURL, however KFURL itself does not affect ps_w directly. So what happens if you do not halve KISRM nor the 10.13 calculation? Your delta pressure is evaluated to double, and the filling models in the ECU start fighting each other. I looked at this a long time ago, and came to the conclusion that KISRM or the 10.13 must be halved. Looked at this again now with a fresh start, and came to exact the same conclusion. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on July 22, 2013, 04:32:12 PM Sat down and looked through all the code, as the docs really do not state clearly how this actually works. ps_w at startup is initialized to pu_w. After that ps_w is never completely re-assigned. Basically what happens is, delta manifold pressure is calculated and then added to ps_w. It subtracts rl_w from rlroh_w to get the delta between current load and load from MAF and this delta is multiplied by fvisrm_w, which is (KISRM * ftsr). If it is not zero, it is either added or subtracted from ps_w, and we get the new ps_w value. Basically fvisrm_w is conversion from load into pressure (opposite of KFURL). After that ps_w is converted to load via KFURL, however KFURL itself does not affect ps_w directly. I saw the same. So what happens if you do not halve KISRM nor the 10.13 calculation? Your delta pressure is evaluated to double, and the filling models in the ECU start fighting each other. I looked at this a long time ago, and came to the conclusion that KISRM or the 10.13 must be halved. Looked at this again now with a fresh start, and came to exact the same conclusion. This does make sense. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on July 22, 2013, 11:11:55 PM Thank you, now with your new understanding we can discuss how this works :)
Sat down and looked through all the code, as the docs really do not state clearly how this actually works. ps_w at startup is initialized to pu_w. After that ps_w is never completely re-assigned. Basically what happens is, delta manifold pressure is calculated and then added to ps_w. It subtracts rl_w from rlroh_w to get the delta between current load and load from MAF and this delta is multiplied by fvisrm_w, which is (KISRM * ftsr). If it is not zero, it is either added or subtracted from ps_w, and we get the new ps_w value. Basically fvisrm_w is conversion from load into pressure (opposite of KFURL). No, it is not a conversion and not the opposite of KFURL. It is an Integrator (KISRM = Konstant Integrator saugrohrmodel), and one thing that the FR actually states in all this, is KISRM's function. It also states how to turn the function off(KISRM = 1), if KISRM really was where we scaled ps_w this would net you a modeled intake pressure of 20-30bar lol. Julex log also prooves this, he doubled his KISRM but he didnt end up with a ps_w of 6000hPa. KISRM is there to tune the response of ps_w, just like any other I part. After that ps_w is converted to load via KFURL, however KFURL itself does not affect ps_w directly. I agree, KFURL controls ps_w indirectly(with offset of KFPRG). So what happens if you do not halve KISRM nor the 10.13 calculation? Your delta pressure is evaluated to double, and the filling models in the ECU start fighting each other. I looked at this a long time ago, and came to the conclusion that KISRM or the 10.13 must be halved. Looked at this again now with a fresh start, and came to exact the same conclusion. The fvisrm_w mulu is applied to the load delta before we scale down ps_w. Edit: I have to get back on that one tbh Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on July 23, 2013, 12:42:09 AM Thank you, now with your new understanding we can discuss how this works :) FVISRM is. More rather the 10.13 multiplied into it is.No, it is not a conversion and not the opposite of KFURL. Quote It also states how to turn the function off(KISRM = 1), if KISRM really was where we scaled ps_w this would net you a modeled intake pressure of 20-30bar lol. Julex log also prooves this, he doubled his KISRM but he didnt end up with a ps_w of 6000hPa. Of course he would not, as ps_w is INITIALIZED to pu_w, and after that delta pressure is used. Not changing KISRM or the 10.13 is like telling the model that it's intake manifold is double the size. That's why his ps_w is too high for the boost, and why it oscillates. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on July 23, 2013, 02:58:47 AM FVISRM is. More rather the 10.13 multiplied into it is. Of course he would not, as ps_w is INITIALIZED to pu_w, and after that delta pressure is used. Not changing KISRM or the 10.13 is like telling the model that it's intake manifold is double the size. That's why his ps_w is too high for the boost, and why it oscillates. So youre still holding on to this? Except that KFURL has no effect whatsoever on ps_w and KFPRG is just an addition, which is added AFTER ps_w gets calculated. So, what do you modify to scale ps_w? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on July 23, 2013, 04:43:59 AM I don't see what is so hard to understand.
fvisrm_w converts delta load (rlroh_w - rl_w) to delta pressure (dpsfg_w). It consists of 10.13, KISRM and ftsr. They are all multiplied by each other so whether you scale the 10.13 value, KISRM or ftsr does not matter. ftsr is used in a few other places. KISRM and the 10.13 are used in just one place. KISRM is a normal parameter, 10.13 you have to find and half in the code - KISRM is easier to change. ps_w is not directly scaled by KFURL, ps_w is scaled by DSUOFS and DSUGRAD and then the 10.13 constant or KISRM, which govern it's rate of change. The docs do not fully explain how this works, period. I also do not see why you expect ps_w to be double with double KISRM. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 23, 2013, 07:03:08 AM Hiccups are still there with halved KISRM. I am getting mysterious PS_W drop with associated RL_W and fueling going awry per my wideband O2 although ECU things everything is ok, of course. NWS switchover is at 4k and I see associated activity so I don't think this is the culprit, but here is the KFURL as requested.
Please look at my log, row 88 and 89. PS_W drops again and so does RL_W... I will welcome any suggestions. Edit: I will log pvdkds_w to see if I am not hitting psmx_w (I don't have memory address for psmx_w, but pvdkds_w will suffice) and therefore limit the ps_w. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on July 23, 2013, 09:42:08 AM This looks similar to this issue (which i never solved)
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3562.0 http://nyet.org/cars/images/ps_w-workaround.png Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on July 23, 2013, 10:43:12 AM Hiccups are still there with halved KISRM. I am getting mysterious PS_W drop with associated RL_W and fueling going awry per my wideband O2 although ECU things everything is ok, of course. NWS switchover is at 4k and I see associated activity so I don't think this is the culprit, but here is the KFURL as requested. Please look at my log, row 88 and 89. PS_W drops again and so does RL_W... I will welcome any suggestions. Edit: I will log pvdkds_w to see if I am not hitting psmx_w (I don't have memory address for psmx_w, but pvdkds_w will suffice) and therefore limit the ps_w. this is curious Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 23, 2013, 11:28:18 AM *FACEPALM*
Mystery solved... my KFMLDMX table was not adjusted from old stock sized intake tract and now with all RS4 or larger stuff my MAF is hitting new heights. I hit and exceeded flow threshold in this table. ECU switched to normalized flow and hence the fueling going off. Obviously I need to massage the tables for MAFless path, at least put them on the rich side so that engine doesn't blow up when maf readings are off. Curiously enough, I remember getting beeps and check engine light combined with limp mode when I had this happening previously and I am not sure why this time around this didn't happen... maybe there is a certain threshold you need to go over to get that (too lazy to follow FR on this). This issue is solved then. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on July 23, 2013, 11:36:04 AM Def. work on those throttle maps. When calculated and measured are perfectly parallel, it makes me happy.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Axis on July 23, 2013, 11:47:07 AM Edit: I will log pvdkds_w to see if I am not hitting psmx_w (I don't have memory address for psmx_w, but pvdkds_w will suffice) and therefore limit the ps_w. psmx_w should be 0x382188 0.0390625 though I understand you'll do without it. Just working on my IDA skills.Might help someone else. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 24, 2013, 06:04:23 AM psmx_w should be 0x382188 0.0390625 though I understand you'll do without it. Just working on my IDA skills. Might help someone else. Thanks man. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on July 25, 2013, 07:28:06 AM Does anyone know if the limit for KFLDHBN is 4 bar?
I think I've run into the limit of requested boost pressure ratio again. The stock setting was 3 bar which I raised to 4, but now I'm requesting 4 bar and the max value it will take in TunerPro is 3.9844, which is FF in hex of course... So this is a slight problem lol. Can we internally scale KFLDHBN? And yes I'm really running up to and including 40psi on the street - which seems to be the limit of requested boost I can get lol. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on July 25, 2013, 08:26:41 AM Sure you can, shift pu left once before it gets multiplied by the kfldhbn value, done.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on July 26, 2013, 01:44:11 AM Great job BT, do we need to start on the 10240 hack? ;)
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 26, 2013, 07:48:21 AM Great job BT, do we need to start on the 10240 hack? ;) He is dangerously close to that one... 48psi [:)] Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on July 26, 2013, 08:26:14 AM He is dangerously close to that one... 48psi [:)] Just needs to find a 5 bar MAP sensor. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on July 26, 2013, 11:34:26 AM Just needs to find a 5 bar MAP sensor. Incorrect the KFLDHBN is still limited to a pressure ratio of 4. So even with a 5 bar requested boost will not go above 4... that's my problem lol. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: matchew on July 26, 2013, 11:38:29 AM Incorrect the KFLDHBN is still limited to a pressure ratio of 4. So even with a 5 bar requested boost will not go above 4... that's my problem lol. What? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on July 26, 2013, 11:42:11 AM Incorrect the KFLDHBN is still limited to a pressure ratio of 4. So even with a 5 bar requested boost will not go above 4... that's my problem lol. I'm fully aware of the 3.9844 limitation imposed by KFLDHBN, I was referring to bische's post about the 10k mod. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on July 26, 2013, 11:44:33 AM I'm fully aware of the 3.9844 limitation imposed by KFLDHBN, I was referring to bische's post about the 10k mod. Fair enough lol yeah 5 bar map sensor is enough... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on July 26, 2013, 11:50:37 AM Fair enough lol yeah 5 bar map sensor is enough... I figured as much. 58.8psi is not an insignificant figure. I think to cross that threshold reliably we'll be taking about beryillium pistons, F1 inspired rods and a titanium crank. What does setting KFLDHBN to 0 do? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on July 26, 2013, 11:51:12 AM Err... so to summarize the KFURL/KISRM topic, does anything need changing?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on July 26, 2013, 02:43:51 PM Err... so to summarize the KFURL/KISRM topic, does anything need changing? KFURL + KFPRG to tune your ps_w, KISRM to tune the ps_w I component. All of them needs to be halfed in a 5120 hack. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Axis on July 26, 2013, 07:51:03 PM Sure you can, shift pu left once before it gets multiplied by the kfldhbn value, done. fix for britishturbo and others who doesn't like KFLDHBN's limit of 4barCode: Patch Change Z conversion factor of KFLDHBN to 0,031250 and you should be set Not tested IRL but ought to work. (based on prj's quick fix, shl #1 pu) Code: Seg0x21c@870000:02F6 mov r12, #1816h Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: jibberjive on July 26, 2013, 07:55:57 PM KFURL + KFPRG to tune your ps_w, KISRM to tune the ps_w I component. All of them needs to be halfed in a 5120 hack. Are there any publicly posted wholly complete 5120 modded m-box bin and xdf? I know there have been a few posted, but I haven't been keeping up on how complete they are/aren't.Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 27, 2013, 08:48:32 PM Are there any publicly posted wholly complete 5120 modded m-box bin and xdf? I know there have been a few posted, but I haven't been keeping up on how complete they are/aren't. The one posted in this thread, M-box and XDF is basically complete sans KISRM being inaccurate and possibly couple other items. Just double check that if it needs to be halved, it is, and is not rounded up/down by tunerpro. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on July 28, 2013, 01:59:44 PM There's actually tons of stuff missed that is not in any publicly posted XDF.
But after what is going on there, at least I do not have any motivation to post anything related to this. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: matchew on July 28, 2013, 02:40:12 PM There's actually tons of stuff missed that is not in any publicly posted XDF. But after what is going on there, at least I do not have any motivation to post anything related to this. Totally agree Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 28, 2013, 06:29:18 PM In that case I am doomed to run half cripple 5120 bin then, well, it kind of works :-\
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: jibberjive on July 28, 2013, 08:35:28 PM In that case I am doomed to run half cripple 5120 bin then, well, it kind of works :-\ Are you having any issues since you rectified your KFMLDMX issue? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 29, 2013, 06:07:45 AM Are you having any issues since you rectified your KFMLDMX issue? Not that I can detect, but prj makes it sound like my engine is a ticking time bomb! :o Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on July 30, 2013, 10:48:00 AM fix for britishturbo and others who doesn't like KFLDHBN's limit of 4bar Code: Patch Change Z conversion factor of KFLDHBN to 0,031250 and you should be set Not tested IRL but ought to work. (based on prj's quick fix, shl #1 pu) Code: Seg0x21c@870000:02F6 mov r12, #1816h Cool. I will try it once my new turbo arrives! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on July 30, 2013, 10:49:52 AM In that case I am doomed to run half cripple 5120 bin then, well, it kind of works :-\ lol I've been running it longer than most with next to no issues. So how is it half crippled? Sure there might be soem things missing but it sure does work well! I'm using it in closed loop at ~40psi daily... so it's working great for me. I also have a number of other people out there running the 5120 code on anything from k04s to frankenturbos to gt28s to single turbos. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on July 30, 2013, 10:50:52 AM There's actually tons of stuff missed that is not in any publicly posted XDF. But after what is going on there, at least I do not have any motivation to post anything related to this. Did I miss soothing? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 30, 2013, 12:44:21 PM I plowed through PRJ's XDF and identified all the maps that use hpa on their axis (not to say that there aren't more without explicit units on them) and double checked vs xdf posted in this thread... one item stood out which is SDLDSUA which controls N249 activation thnresholds... There are a bunch of other maps, dealing with I-pid adaptation thresholds and leak detections which are not that hugely important.
I am currently at a point where I have my tune pretty much worked out but part throttle turbo surge (cha, cha, cha, cha) and associated boost fluctuations are killing me and until today I was not sure how to cure it until I reviewed the XDF. SDLDSUA is directly responsible for activating N249 at certain predicted boost thresholds and I hope it will cure it albeit I am sure that the source of my problem is over-boosting at part throttle which induces throttle cut and turbo entering flutter mode. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on July 30, 2013, 12:52:14 PM I plowed through PRJ's XDF and identified all the maps that use hpa on their axis (not to say that there aren't more without explicit units on them) and double checked vs xdf posted in this thread... one item stood out which is SDLDSUA which controls N249 activation thnresholds... There are a bunch of other maps, dealing with I-pid adaptation thresholds and leak detections which are not that hugely important. I am currently at a point where I have my tune pretty much worked out but part throttle turbo surge (cha, cha, cha, cha) and associated boost fluctuations are killing me and until today I was not sure how to cure it until I reviewed the XDF. SDLDSUA is directly responsible for activating N249 at certain predicted boost thresholds and I hope it will cure it albeit I am sure that the source of my problem is over-boosting at part throttle which induces throttle cut and turbo entering flutter mode. Interesting. I don't use the N249 and neither do most people I speak of... could be it. But I do know that part throttle is very good on my setup. I've had people complain about certain others part throttle driving, have changed them over to my KFMIRL and KFMIOP and they have been super happy campers. The only time I know I've seen N249 problems was when I flashed someone a tune with the N249 coded out and he still had it lol, that acted like you describe. But a change in settings and he was good to go again. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on July 30, 2013, 02:49:34 PM You can always log B_ldsua to confirm.
IIRC, the was a code change or two in LDUVST. Like prj said, there's a ton of changes that haven't been documented. I'm finally setting up a new laptop now and will be starting to work on this again shortly. However, I alot of my free time will be spent wrenching on my latest S4. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on July 30, 2013, 04:52:45 PM Yes, I logged b_ldsua earlier today along with cells migration and values change (SDLDSUA doesn't have axis per se, it is hardcoded so you need to shift cells first into 1/2 pressure slots on the axis and then lower the cell values themselves by 1/2) and oh boy.... now we are talking. Basically, anybody deleting N249 is super retarded, no offense, as they REALLY don't know what they're doing.
In my case, N249 is activated via b_ldsua up to about 60 load (no scaling) and the engine got super snappy in part throttle while before, with deleted N249 or with it in place but table messed up, the car would basically be falling on its face in part throttle in vicinity of -8inhg to 0ish-1psi. It makes sense that opening the DVs with vacuum reserve allows to free flow of air in NA engine fashion and turbos don't have to work and kill engine efficiency. On the other side of scale, i've seen mega spikes of pressure and super loud surge sound when coming out of WOT @ 32psi with N249 delete, the pressure at sensor would spike to 40psi. DO NOT DELETE N249... you will sacrifice part throttle economy and response as well as basically risk catastrophic failure of turbo due to surge. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Milka on July 30, 2013, 05:04:51 PM Totally agree, I originally deleted and then later added it back in and much better part throttle and lifting off at the end of a WOT run with n249 back in place.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on July 30, 2013, 05:48:44 PM Yes, I logged b_ldsua earlier today along with cells migration and values change (SDLDSUA doesn't have axis per se, it is hardcoded so you need to shift cells first into 1/2 pressure slots on the axis and then lower the cell values themselves by 1/2) and oh boy.... now we are talking. Basically, anybody deleting N249 is super retarded, no offense, as they REALLY don't know what they're doing. In my case, N249 is activated via b_ldsua up to about 60 load (no scaling) and the engine got super snappy in part throttle while before, with deleted N249 or with it in place but table messed up, the car would basically be falling on its face in part throttle in vicinity of -8inhg to 0ish-1psi. It makes sense that opening the DVs with vacuum reserve allows to free flow of air in NA engine fashion and turbos don't have to work and kill engine efficiency. On the other side of scale, i've seen mega spikes of pressure and super loud surge sound when coming out of WOT @ 32psi with N249 delete, the pressure at sensor would spike to 40psi. DO NOT DELETE N249... you will sacrifice part throttle economy and response as well as basically risk catastrophic failure of turbo due to surge. You know I might just put the N249 back on the car to see how it runs that way... just as a test, but I don't have any of the problems you describe. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on July 30, 2013, 06:04:05 PM You know I might just put the N249 back on the car to see how it runs that way... just as a test, but I don't have any of the problems you describe. Do you even make boost at part throttle? Your logs look like a lightswitch. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on July 30, 2013, 06:25:28 PM Do you even make boost at part throttle? Your logs look like a lightswitch. Haha yeah, it does, just not like k03's or anything ;-) New turbo comes tomorrow though, 6466, should have a lot more boost down low and at part throttle. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Snow Trooper on July 31, 2013, 11:09:03 AM Did I miss soothing? Yeah, seriously.... What are you and matchew going on about now PRJ? Motivations....???? ::) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on July 31, 2013, 02:47:39 PM Yes, I logged b_ldsua earlier today along with cells migration and values change (SDLDSUA doesn't have axis per se, it is hardcoded so you need to shift cells first into 1/2 pressure slots on the axis and then lower the cell values themselves by 1/2) and oh boy.... now we are talking. Basically, anybody deleting N249 is super retarded, no offense, as they REALLY don't know what they're doing. In my case, N249 is activated via b_ldsua up to about 60 load (no scaling) and the engine got super snappy in part throttle while before, with deleted N249 or with it in place but table messed up, the car would basically be falling on its face in part throttle in vicinity of -8inhg to 0ish-1psi. It makes sense that opening the DVs with vacuum reserve allows to free flow of air in NA engine fashion and turbos don't have to work and kill engine efficiency. On the other side of scale, i've seen mega spikes of pressure and super loud surge sound when coming out of WOT @ 32psi with N249 delete, the pressure at sensor would spike to 40psi. DO NOT DELETE N249... you will sacrifice part throttle economy and response as well as basically risk catastrophic failure of turbo due to surge. ha-ha, try telling it to the "experts" on here ;) As for your other stuttering stuff, e-mail a 3rd gear log starting at 800 rpm with wgdc fixed to 0 and your file, and I can try to see if I can make it somewhat better. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on August 01, 2013, 08:39:21 AM ha-ha, try telling it to the "experts" on here ;) As for your other stuttering stuff, e-mail a 3rd gear log starting at 800 rpm with wgdc fixed to 0 and your file, and I can try to see if I can make it somewhat better. I don't claim to be an expert... And I've never actually ran my car with an N249... it was removed when first setting up my single turbo setup, probably for all the wrong reasons considering when I took it off I didn't know exactly how it worked and was following the general trend... So I'm actually in the process of putting the N249 back on the car for some back to back testing. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on August 01, 2013, 09:06:18 AM N249 delete:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ymaIxLaD6s0/UfqE7AHDLKI/AAAAAAAALdw/tf0MrZ4cGCQ/w1275-h731-no/N249Delete_40psiSpike.gif) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on August 01, 2013, 09:09:22 AM Yeah the boost spikes are what I'm hoping the N249 will take care of.
But I don't hear any compressor surge, emphasis on hear lol. I'll try and find some more vacuum line and test it today! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on August 01, 2013, 09:09:36 AM ha-ha, try telling it to the "experts" on here ;) As for your other stuttering stuff, e-mail a 3rd gear log starting at 800 rpm with wgdc fixed to 0 and your file, and I can try to see if I can make it somewhat better. I'll take you on the offer :) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: catbed on August 02, 2013, 10:23:02 AM Yeah the boost spikes are what I'm hoping the N249 will take care of. But I don't hear any compressor surge, emphasis on hear lol. I'll try and find some more vacuum line and test it today! FWIW, I re-installed my n249 on my BT 1.8 and noticed less compressor noise off the throttle. I too went with the crowd and deleted my n249 early on. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on August 02, 2013, 10:51:39 AM FWIW, I re-installed my n249 on my BT 1.8 and noticed less compressor noise off the throttle. I too went with the crowd and deleted my n249 early on. I second that. I had a very clear spool up noise from turbos in sub 0psi in part throttle which is gone now with N249 in place and allowing the engine to breathe. The noise was indicative of energy wasted to unnecessarily spool turbos with the intake air. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on August 06, 2013, 07:28:15 AM fix for britishturbo and others who doesn't like KFLDHBN's limit of 4bar Code: Patch Change Z conversion factor of KFLDHBN to 0,031250 and you should be set Not tested IRL but ought to work. (based on prj's quick fix, shl #1 pu) Code: Seg0x21c@870000:02F6 mov r12, #1816h I'm going to test this today! I'll let you know how it works. (http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q755/britishturbo/KFLDHBMhack_zpseabcf3be.png) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/britishturbo/media/KFLDHBMhack_zpseabcf3be.png.html) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on August 09, 2013, 05:20:44 AM TunerPro has a patch option, which does exactly this, without having to define a table with hexadecimal crap that is prone to mistakes.
Simple define once and then turn on and off with a button. You might want to look into this :) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Axis on August 09, 2013, 05:54:05 AM The patch function is really nice. Large code patches are nice to have there but I also use it for things like different MAFs and minor on/off functions like noLTFTs and similar. Very quick to work with especially nice when working with emu.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: britishturbo on November 04, 2013, 11:07:35 AM Just wanted to let everyone know that the 5120 hack code went 10's in my S4 yesterday :-)
(http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q755/britishturbo/IMG_20131103_122944_831_zpsff014c2e.jpg) (http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/britishturbo/media/IMG_20131103_122944_831_zpsff014c2e.jpg.html) Here's a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRibpNdYyME Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: catbed on November 29, 2013, 08:07:53 PM I modified my 018CH box file with the 5120 hack and flashed it to my car tonight. Car seems to run and drive just fine. Will be doing some more logging to make sure.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: NOTORIOUS VR on January 20, 2014, 02:27:47 PM Would someone be able to post the part number for the sensor used for the 5120 hack please?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: imolasb5 on January 20, 2014, 05:52:34 PM Would someone be able to post the part number for the sensor used for the 5120 hack please? This is what I am running. 03K 906 051 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: dream3R on January 21, 2014, 07:07:58 AM I'm going through this on my Volvo S60R now, it's tough going without an A2L!!
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: oldcarguy85 on January 23, 2014, 09:45:39 AM Hey,
Sorry if I missed an answer to this in this 30 page thread.... The sensor part number referenced a few times is "03K 906 051." Where are you guys buying this? Only places i can find it appear to be in the UK? Is there another, more readily available sensor? I don't really need to do this modification, but I think my map sensor is acting up, and I figure this modification is only going to open up my options in the future. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on January 23, 2014, 11:52:20 AM http://www.darksidedevelopments.co.uk/products/vw-4-bar-map-manifold-pressure-sensor-03k-906-051.html
Is where I got mine. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: oldcarguy85 on January 23, 2014, 11:57:07 AM I appreciate the info. Unfortunately, I'm in the US. Any ideas for a US supplier?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: jmont23 on January 23, 2014, 01:08:10 PM I appreciate the info. Unfortunately, I'm in the US. Any ideas for a US supplier? I'm in the US and bought mine from the UK, as did anyone else that has bought this sensor. edit - there are no US suppliers that I am aware of. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on January 29, 2014, 07:10:18 AM yup, got mine from UK. They are fast shippers and it only takes a few days. They even included the grommet for free when I messaged them about it but in retrospect I would definitely use something else in its place. A piece of some hard plastic tube or something. The supplied grommet tends to get squeezed out along with the sensor if you clamp it tight in the boot.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: NOTORIOUS VR on January 30, 2014, 06:09:17 AM do u need to select the reducer option?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: rnagy86 on January 30, 2014, 07:55:36 AM do u need to select the reducer option? Yes you do, however as julex said the reducer is made out of rubber so you might have issues if you are using a rubber/silicone TBB. This is not an issue of course if you have an APR bi-pipe or an RS4 one. You can also make a reducer out of aluminium so that you can properly mount the sensor. On my old car i've been using a 034 motorsport TBB and I just used a zip tie to mount it because I could not fit a clamp properly, it never popped out. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: NOTORIOUS VR on February 21, 2014, 10:38:36 AM Can someone please verify the location of the following maps in the following:
8D0907551M 0261207143 354837 Maps: PSSOLNGRD PSSOLPGRD Going by BT's .xdf the're at 14B52 and 14B54 respectively, but buy trying to match patters between the 551R and 551F I don't believe it to be correct. They're also not listed in Nye's XLS. I think 14B4A and 14B4E are the right locations but I'd like to have another set of eyes on it. ORI can be found here: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=169.0 Thanks! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on February 26, 2014, 03:57:15 PM BT's location is correct.
PSSOLNGRD 0x14B52 PSSOLPGRD 0x14B54 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: dream3R on February 28, 2014, 03:01:18 PM This is MED9 code but in C167 asm.
Any ideas on how this equates to a division? It breaks my head. Title: MSDK_W shows 1/2 of what it should be showing with 5120 hack Post by: julex on March 11, 2014, 10:55:57 AM I am trying to figure out why MSDK_W (flow over throttle plate) is roughly 1/2 of actual maf flow.
I followed ME7.1 bible and it appears that BGMSZS. bgmszs-lad function, fpvdkds_w * fkmsdk_w calculation is at fault here since the fpvdkds_w is 1/2 scale and is used directly in further multiplication with msdkue_w to give msdk_w... KLAF table output multiplier shouldn't affect this much although input to it is also 1/2 of what it should be. Anybody has any idea for quick fix to this? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: jmont23 on March 18, 2014, 08:04:06 AM Hey guys,
I collected some data for both my 5 bar AEM "brass" MAP sensor and my AEM 5 bar "Stainless steel" pressure sensor. The brass sensor is being logged via ME7Logger with a DSLGARD = 646 and a DSLOFS = -323 per my calculations. The stainless steel sensor was being logged via my Zeitronix datalogger (both sensors logged during the same run at the same time). You can see that the sensors track each other quite nicely (my offset is off about 2psi with my DSLOFS calc) and the brass sensor is a little bit noiser (too be expected). EDIT: Correction, looks like I had a typo and my offset was actually -330 instead of what it should have been (-323). I will correct this and see if this corrects my offset error. EDIT2: So it turns out I was wrong here. I replaced the brass sensor with the SS version and my boost curves now fall right on top of one another. DO NOT USE THE BRASS SENSOR IF YOU WANT ACCURATE READINGS! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: jmont23 on March 21, 2014, 06:59:17 AM I believe the reason for the 2 psi offset is due to the brass sensor being about 2 feet away from the throttle body where as the SS sensor is reading off my intake manifold.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: julex on March 21, 2014, 07:10:25 AM I believe the reason for the 2 psi offset is due to the brass sensor being about 2 feet away from the throttle body where as the SS sensor is reading off my intake manifold. They should read the same if placed in the same location, if one is in manifold and the other somewhere else, then it is natural to have some discrepancy due to pressure losses etc. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: terminator on March 30, 2014, 02:10:20 PM I have installed map sensor from diesel and it works perfect. But now I would like to increase boost to 1.7 bar and I think I changed everything (pvdk_w etc) into my file, but idle is unstable and the engine doesnt work correctly (reduced power etc). Its R-box ME7.1.1 and its a little differ from M-box ME7.1
Please help if you know how to make it work. I would like to install garrett 28 in near future and without this hack its senseless as you understand. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: erroob0977 on April 04, 2014, 02:11:25 PM I have installed map sensor from diesel and it works perfect. But now I would like to increase boost to 1.7 bar and I think I changed everything (pvdk_w etc) into my file, but idle is unstable and the engine doesnt work correctly (reduced power etc). Its R-box ME7.1.1 and its a little differ from M-box ME7.1 Please help if you know how to make it work. I would like to install garrett 28 in near future and without this hack its senseless as you understand. It sounds like you may have missed one or more of the 1013 mbar constants. I missed one at first and experienced the same thing you are. When you say ME7.1.1 R-box, do you mean for the 2.7T (4Z7907551R)? If so, here's the locations for the 1013 constants I changed & I've got the 5120 hack running w/ no problems for quite a while now. Also double/triple check that you didn't miss any other table or axis on the list in this thread. 0x6D8EC 0x6D8F2 0x6E276 0x6E3D8 0x6E400 0x6F22C 0x6F27A 0x6F308 0x6F408 0x6F96C 0x712A4 Use at your own risk & be cautious when doing any pulls/logging until you're sure everything is working right... edit: Btw, I don't have winOLS so I didn't look at your file before posting Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: terminator on April 04, 2014, 04:46:23 PM Thank you very much! Will test it tomorrow. Yes, its 4z7907551R
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on April 04, 2014, 05:16:37 PM It sounds like you may have missed one or more of the 1013 mbar constants. I missed one at first and experienced the same thing you are. When you say ME7.1.1 R-box, do you mean for the 2.7T (4Z7907551R)? If so, here's the locations for the 1013 constants I changed & I've got the 5120 hack running w/ no problems for quite a while now. Also double/triple check that you didn't miss any other table or axis on the list in this thread. 0x6D8EC 0x6D8F2 0x6E276 0x6E3D8 0x6E400 0x6F22C 0x6F27A 0x6F308 0x6F408 0x6F96C 0x712A4 Use at your own risk & be cautious when doing any pulls/logging until you're sure everything is working right... edit: Btw, I don't have winOLS so I didn't look at your file before posting If you would be willing to post your stock file, with just the scaling that would be a great addition to the thread :) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: erroob0977 on April 04, 2014, 06:26:42 PM If you would be willing to post your stock file, with just the scaling that would be a great addition to the thread :) I actually don't have a stock file with only the 5120 changes done, I made all the changes to a copy of my tune at the time. I've been meaning to put a stock 5120 file together to put up here but just haven't gotten around to it. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: terminator on April 05, 2014, 01:57:46 PM Ive just tested it and idle idle is ok, AFR is ok also, but
requested boost = 1250 mbar (2500 mbar without 5120) actual boost = 770 mbar (1540 mbar) I think I missied some PID axes or smth like that. And I cant find DPVLMS in ME7.1.1 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: catbed on April 08, 2014, 09:54:58 AM Ive just tested it and idle idle is ok, AFR is ok also, but requested boost = 1250 mbar (2500 mbar without 5120) actual boost = 770 mbar (1540 mbar) I think I missied some PID axes or smth like that. And I cant find DPVLMS in ME7.1.1 Those are logged values? Did you adjust the log definition files? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: terminator on April 08, 2014, 11:49:19 AM Its ok now (thanx to erroob0977), I missed some axes. I'm going to test it for some days but looks like everything is ok now.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: elRey on April 10, 2014, 10:59:23 AM Well after avoiding this for a while now, i've decided to dig in.
First step was to pull out the hPa maps from orginal Audi TT damos and got these via a parsing script (most you have) DIFFMAX DLDUVES DLUL DPBKVLE DPBKVP DPBKVPMN DPBKVSPS DPBKVUKKPU DPBKVUKNW DPBKVUKP DPBKVUKPU DPBKVUS DPDSVLU DPLPLGD DPSBKV DPSLV DPSPBKVNPH DPUBABMX DPUBAEMN DPUBKV DPUFFMN DPUFFMX DPUPS DPUPVDK DSBOFS DSLGRAD DSLOFS DSTGRAD DSUGRAD DSUOFS ELDOB FLAMPA FMDPUBKV FQTEPT FRLFSDP HSLDSUA KFBALB KFDPLGU KFDPVL KFFLTA KFGLTA KFLDIMX KFLDIOPU KFLDRQ0 KFLDRQ1 KFLDRQ2 KFPLGUB KFPRG KFSDLDSUA KFTVLDRE KFTXFTA KFURL KFXFTA KLDLUL KLDPDK KLTDS KMLTESG LDEIAO LDEIAP LDEIAPS LDEIAU LDELDRAO LDELDRAU LDPBN LDRQ0S LDRQ1ST LDUVRS MSNPCV NDLDRAPU NLDIAPU OPBKVUKKB OPBKVUKNWB OPBKVUKPB OPBKVUKPUB PADMSA PBKVKRHY PBKVKRHY PBKVMN PBKVMX PBKVVSTGPV PLSOLAP PSAPES PSSOLNGRD PSSOLPF PSSOLPGRD PUE PUEBKV PUELSU PUKORRV PULDR PUMN PUMX PUSMAX PUSMIN PUSPSMX PVDKMN PVDKMX PVDKPSMX PVDKPUD SLD04LDUB SLD04LDUB SPL08LDUW SPU08LDUB SPU08LDUB UMDYLDR Now I'm following bread crumbs in DOC to get those missing from damos and ATM hard coded, then on to verifying in assem code. Not having fun. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: elRey on April 10, 2014, 06:33:26 PM Not to rehash the KISRM vs 10.13 scaling, but does anyone see #999h or #510Ah as the hard coded 10.13 ? If so, how does that equate to 10.13 with any of the hPa map factors?
Code: mov r4, #510Ah Seems fvisrm_w is defined once (384AA8) for use in BGRPL and then multiplied by #999h (381E66) for use inside BGSRM. DOC doesn't state this. Or I've incorrectly identified the variables. Still not having fun. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: erroob0977 on April 11, 2014, 03:20:58 PM Here's the 4Z7907551R file with the 5120 hack, It's still set up for the stock 2.5 bar MAP sensor. The xdf is a bit disorganized (I moved a lot of the maps that I was tuning into the top category so I could see them easier) but it will display the correct hpa values in all the maps that were changed.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: TheDSI on April 13, 2014, 07:30:16 AM I can now confirm that correct linearisation for 03k906051 map sensor is like the attached picture .
loooked at an edc17cp20 bitdi bin . Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: littco on May 30, 2014, 11:56:05 AM I can now confirm that correct linearisation for 03k906051 map sensor is like the attached picture . loooked at an edc17cp20 bitdi bin . This is the 4 bar sensor I was talking about, didn't realise.. so looks like it will work then. I'll fit it do the hack and see how it goes.. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: catbed on June 06, 2014, 10:29:08 PM Seeing if others could lend a hand here, I am looking for KFSDLDSUA in my 018CH file. I am finally going through and finalizing my map pack for my file. It exists in the fully defined TT225 file I have, but I can't find it in my file or the fully defined S4 file I have. Daz has given me some info that it doesn't exist in a 518 file he has, so I am at a loss.
Can anyone confirm if it exists in my 018CH, or if it is not used in my file? TIA EDIT: file attached Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: littco on June 07, 2014, 07:48:08 AM Seeing if others could lend a hand here, I am looking for KFSDLDSUA in my 018CH file. I am finally going through and finalizing my map pack for my file. It exists in the fully defined TT225 file I have, but I can't find it in my file or the fully defined S4 file I have. Daz has given me some info that it doesn't exist in a 518 file he has, so I am at a loss. Can anyone confirm if it exists in my 018CH, or if it is not used in my file? TIA EDIT: file attached I have to agree with Daz i've had a good look through the 518 and 018CH and there's no sign of it... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: catbed on June 07, 2014, 10:58:05 AM Went back and looked at the file some more. It seems SDLDSUA is the 16x1 map that needs division in the 018CH file. Both the axis and table are in hPa.
Although the axis does not reference eprom, it's only 1,2,3... with a conversion factor. I am assuming the axis is boost pressure, so that should already be scaled? EDIT: source for SDLDSUA axis is plsol Another EDIT: This is from this very thread :facepalm: ...(SDLDSUA doesn't have axis per se, it is hardcoded so you need to shift cells first into 1/2 pressure slots on the axis and then lower the cell values themselves by 1/2)... Julex, I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. Care to shed some light? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: littco on June 09, 2014, 01:56:13 PM With a little bit of reassurance help from Daz with the 1013 asm division here is the 5120 hack .kp for the TT 225 018cb file.
Untested yet, but will be this week.. Anyone spot any mistakes let me know but a good start Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: catbed on June 10, 2014, 08:02:00 AM Ok, so here is my 018CH 5120 files. ASM divisions are correct.
It drives fine and boost is controlled the same as my non-5120 file, but the only problem is idle. When I blip the throttle at idle, the engine stumbles because it goes way rich. te_w goes up to like ~6ms. Any ideas what I could investigate? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: A4Rich on June 19, 2014, 11:15:49 AM Ok, so here is my 018CH 5120 files. ASM divisions are correct. It drives fine and boost is controlled the same as my non-5120 file, but the only problem is idle. When I blip the throttle at idle, the engine stumbles because it goes way rich. te_w goes up to like ~6ms. Any ideas what I could investigate? Maybe I am missing something, but when I compared a few scalars your 5120.bin and Stock.bin values were the same. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: catbed on June 19, 2014, 11:51:21 AM Maybe I am missing something, but when I compared a few scalars your 5120.bin and Stock.bin values were the same. Just downloaded and double checked, they are different for me? ??? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: A4Rich on June 19, 2014, 01:11:23 PM Just downloaded and double checked, they are different for me? ??? sorry was definitely was just me... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: grey on July 09, 2014, 02:33:24 PM I'm looking KFDLULS for 5120. Can you help me ?
Thanks Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: grey on July 10, 2014, 04:58:19 AM I don't find KFDLULS in my ori file.
Can we use KLDLUL behalf of KFDLULS ? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: ddillenger on July 11, 2014, 05:22:40 PM Any idea please ??? KLDLULS and DLULS instead of KFDLULS. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: grey on July 11, 2014, 05:26:43 PM KLDLULS and DLULS instead of KFDLULS. Great information,thanks Daz ! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: grey on July 12, 2014, 04:29:40 PM I found as KLDLUL@1FB8B but I can't find DLULS .
Edit; Maybe DLUL@19E4D Am i right? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on September 14, 2014, 02:27:35 PM I am working on completing the 551M 2.7t 5120 bin (based on britishturbo's bins posted in the 2nd post of this thread), and there are a few remaining issues
If you have previously downloaded these files, please verify all of these changes in your file; there are many old/bad files floating around. * LDRQ1DY is incorrectly doubled twice in most of the map * PSSOLNGRD, PSSOLPGRD, LDEIAP, and LDEIAU appear to be scaled wrong (incorrect sign handling):
* SDLDSUA is stock in britishturbo's files: The maps regarding the DV operation I have not scaled, I did spend an amount of time to find those stubborn bastards and had some resistance, so I moved on through the list. Yes, I logged b_ldsua earlier today along with cells migration and values change (SDLDSUA doesn't have axis per se, it is hardcoded so you need to shift cells first into 1/2 pressure slots on the axis and then lower the cell values themselves by 1/2) and oh boy.... now we are talking. Yep, the axis is def hard coded, so the values have to be modified AND moved around some... * UMDYLDR, DLUL, and EDLDRP are stock in britishturbo's files: UMDYLDR - Divide by 2 DLUL - Divide by 2 EDLDRP - Divide by 2 Note that these are all tiny (0x02 hex or 20 hPa) so making them 10 hPa isn't probably that important * FHOKH - minimum altitude factor for cat heating What is up with this? It isn't a pressure value. In britishturbo's files, it isn't even halved... it's just set to zero. And what about the rest of the FHOs? FHODSL - SAI? FHODTEA - Tank ventilation FHOE - "substitute value for altitude?" FHOKOB - AC compressor? * Brake booster: I have taken a look at this list, there is alot of maps from the brake amplifier module %GGPBKV, if those need scaling or not is different between applications. You will have to check in your binary if this module is use to determine if scaling is needed --> http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.msg29820#msg29820 (http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.msg29820#msg29820) CWGGPBKV - codeword to disable (stock is 6, which is disable) OR if it isn't 6: Trace and fixup: PBKVVSTGPV DPBKVEVKSP DPBKVEVKEP - Pressure gradient factor FBKVP - Factor for calculating min pump pressure etc? I assume if we leave it stock (6) we don't have to do anything? * Evap: Quote I also did trace the pus_w(PUSMAX/MIN in nyet's .csv), it is used for EVAP Leak detection pump, it goes like this: pus_w -> %BGPUK (to determine if ambient pressure is sane), out comes pukor_w and pukorv_w -> %DLDP, which is diagnosis for LDP. My file does not diagnose LDP (CDLDP = 0), so I did not follow up what impact the scaled pus_w would have. But if one have %DLDP active, you might want to follow it up :) CDLDP is 1 in the 551M, so PUSPSMX seems it might need scaling too, although leaving stock so it is 2x bigger than it should be probably can't hurt, it will just numb the detection some. * ZDSU: ZDSU is a time constant, not a pressure variable. In theory, with pressure readings halved, the noise should be half as much, so probably a lower time constant would work. http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=13364.msg122164#msg122164 * pus_w: Two more divisions, one at 0x5193E another at 0x51978, 16 bit, change 0x0287 (647) to 0x050E (1294) Any comments? Once I clean these issues up I will update the 551M post below the OP * VCDS OBD2 pressure logging: * http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.msg96065#msg96065 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on September 14, 2014, 05:44:29 PM The SDLDSUA axis isn't hard coded, it doesn't exist.
In the code the base address of SDLDSUA is offset by plsol ashr 4h. All you need to do is rescale the axis in 320 mbar increments, change the table factor, and fill/extrapolate the values. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on September 15, 2014, 10:34:46 AM The SDLDSUA axis isn't hard coded, it doesn't exist. In the code the base address of SDLDSUA is offset by plsol ashr 4h. All you need to do is rescale the axis in 320 mbar increments, change the table factor, and fill/extrapolate the values. Interesting! Since we don't actually need SDLDSUA to be full range, can't we change that to ashr 3h and a compare (to cap it)? Then you only need to cut the data in half. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on September 15, 2014, 11:19:46 AM Interesting! Since we don't actually need SDLDSUA to be full range, can't we change that to ashr 3h and a compare (to cap it)? Then you only need to cut the data in half. Assuming that your boost target is around the MAP limit or that you were just going to replicate the last value above 2560 mbar? Yes. The offset is already capped at 16 members in the code with a compare. The code is located at 0x6EDF4 in both versions of M box. Change BC 4F to BC 3F if you want to go that route. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on September 15, 2014, 05:48:18 PM Assuming that your boost target is around the MAP limit or that you were just going to replicate the last value above 2560 mbar? Yes. The offset is already capped at 16 members in the code with a compare. The code is located at 0x6EDF4 in both versions of M box. Change BC 4F to BC 3F if you want to go that route. Thank you phila! You're a gentleman and a scholar.! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on September 18, 2014, 11:15:51 PM LDEIAP (7F->FF) and LDEIAU (7B->FB) are also scaled wrong in the british turbo files... he needs to work on his sign extension :)
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on September 27, 2014, 07:21:01 PM I have added my modified files here
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.msg29815#msg29815 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on October 01, 2014, 11:16:27 AM Also, LDRQ1DY is incorrectly doubled twice in most of the map
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: carsey on October 01, 2014, 11:23:26 AM Bit off topic, but would numbing the PID let you go over the highest mbar of boost the pressure can see without the ECU stepping in? How would it be done? Going to be looking at running over 22.5psi on the k04-064 when its fitted on stock sensor.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on October 01, 2014, 11:29:40 AM Bit off topic, but would numbing the PID let you go over the highest mbar of boost the pressure can see without the ECU stepping in? How would it be done? Past the MAP, your req should be equal to the actual (if you zeroed DSLOFS like you were told to in the Tuning wiki), so the PID should do nothing. If you don't zero DSLOFS, the MAP limit is below the max req boost, which means the PID will constantly add WGDC. Bad juju. If you are going this route, disable positive I adaptation, and limit DC via the LDRL map. Note that using a 5120 file with req boost past the MAP limit is also a BAD idea, for the same reason. No amount of DSLOFS fiddling will avoid it. NEVER REQ MORE THAN THE MAX MAP! EVER! PERIOD! Ideally, the 5120 files should be hacked with some additional assembly to cap the req boost according to DSLOFS/DSLGRAD (or adjustable scalar). Quote Going to be looking at running over 22.5psi on the k04-064 when its fitted on stock sensor. Don't do it unless you really know what you are doing (and read the above and FULLY understand it).... Get a 3 bar map and use a 5120 file. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: elRey on October 12, 2014, 05:20:12 PM in BGRLP-BPSPMV there is a division by 2.0. Should this division constant (2.0) be rescaled? This would affect psp_w .
mov dpsmp_w_word_382038, r5 mov r7, r5 sub r7, dpsdvs_w_word_382036 jmpr cc_NV, loc_86BB58 mov r7, #8000h subc r7, #0 loc_86BB58: ; CODE XREF: BGRLP+2DE ashr r7, #1 ; division by 2 add r7, dpsfg_w_word_381E58 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: elRey on October 14, 2014, 09:39:05 AM What are you doing for the hard coded 10 hPa in LDRPID-MAIN for Hysteresis to set B_lddy ?
It's 8bit and hard coded #1. So, it can't be divided. Does that mean B_lddy is broken now? Or at least now considered 20 hPa (twice the left set value for Hysteresis)? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on October 14, 2014, 09:47:07 AM ElRey: as far as I can tell neither of those are touched in the Mbox 5120 :(
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: elRey on October 14, 2014, 09:58:31 AM maybe 10 hPa diff in lde is nothing to worry about when setting (unsetting really) B_lddy.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on October 14, 2014, 10:27:49 AM I will have to check my xdf/file.
I know that I addressed this. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on October 14, 2014, 10:31:38 AM I will have to check my xdf/file. I know that I addressed this. Can you cross ref with the 5120 file posted by me? I'd like to know if i'm posting known bad images :( Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on October 14, 2014, 10:40:15 AM in BGRLP-BPSPMV there is a division by 2.0. Should this division constant (2.0) be rescaled? This would affect psp_w . mov dpsmp_w_word_382038, r5 mov r7, r5 sub r7, dpsdvs_w_word_382036 jmpr cc_NV, loc_86BB58 mov r7, #8000h subc r7, #0 loc_86BB58: ; CODE XREF: BGRLP+2DE ashr r7, #1 ; division by 2 add r7, dpsfg_w_word_381E58 I'm not seeing this in 551M... is this for a different ecu? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: elRey on October 14, 2014, 10:44:48 AM Yes, that's from the well documented TT file.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on October 16, 2014, 08:25:40 PM What are you doing for the hard coded 10 hPa in LDRPID-MAIN for Hysteresis to set B_lddy ? It's 8bit and hard coded #1. So, it can't be divided. Does that mean B_lddy is broken now? Or at least now considered 20 hPa (twice the left set value for Hysteresis)? Not an issue in S4 M box. B_lddy is set if lde > 0 and less than UMDYLDR, clear otherwise. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on October 16, 2014, 08:27:50 PM Can you cross ref with the 5120 file posted by me? I'd like to know if i'm posting known bad images :( I will check it out in the next few weeks. I ended up including everything, even if not applicable due to CW. For example, I have a TON of BKV stuff in there. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: elRey on October 17, 2014, 10:20:17 AM My effort on 032HS file
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: elRey on October 17, 2014, 08:07:05 PM Not an issue in S4 M box. B_lddy is set if lde > 0 and less than UMDYLDR, clear otherwise. Hmmm. I read the FR as b_lddy is set above UMDYLDR and cleared when lde falls below 10hPa. 10 vs 0 hPa I can see being different without deviating from FR. But B_lddy not being set above UMDYLDR on the M-box greatly differs from my FR understanding. But I've never looked at the mbox. I'm wondering if changing the 10hPa to 0 would be better than leaving it at the rescaled 20hPa, to be more like the mbox. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: phila_dot on October 17, 2014, 09:17:31 PM The factor is 10, so 1h is 10hpa.
Yes, you are correct. I wrote that too quickly. B_lddy is clear if lde <= 0 and set if lde > UMDYLDR. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Bische on December 19, 2014, 03:54:09 PM What are you doing for the hard coded 10 hPa in LDRPID-MAIN for Hysteresis to set B_lddy ? It's 8bit and hard coded #1. So, it can't be divided. Does that mean B_lddy is broken now? Or at least now considered 20 hPa (twice the left set value for Hysteresis)? 10 or 20 hpa hysteresis wont make a world difference for B_lddy, it is a ver small increase vs. what a sway in boost would make for performance. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: aef on May 25, 2015, 07:55:50 AM I tried to implement this into my S3 AMK/BAM ecu but i endet up with a lumpy and little bit richer idle and rough gear change.
Attached you will find a log Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: automan001 on May 27, 2015, 05:45:58 AM Thanks everybody for the info you shared! Using posts in this thread + FR + IDA + 3 sleepless nignts I've successfully converted my 1.8T 032HN1 box to 5 bar. First run at idle was impressive, I didn't expect much success from the first run. Night run on full load & full boost was amazing. Everything is under control. I observe no issues after conversion. Pressure sensor readings in logs were initially divided by 2, so I had to multiply by 2 corresponding me7log variables to compensate. From the logs I see that ps_w reading is correct, rl_w is also good and as expected, lamsoni_w shows proper numbers. It's cool to have more than 2.5 bar boost fully controllable. Increased my everyday boost to +1.65 bar & limited torque a little bit on 1-st and 2-nd gears, 3-rd gear now pulls very strong. But now with such pressure and +30C outside, my intake air is slightly hot (50-60C), so I will need to think about bigger intercooler.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on July 15, 2015, 12:05:51 PM Updated original post to include two more pu related code patches.
See also http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.msg63024#msg63024 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: desch on August 03, 2015, 07:55:33 AM Which 3.0 bar sensor part number is best for working with the reference 5120 m-box bin? I only see 4.0 bar part numbers mentioned in this thread.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: automan001 on August 04, 2015, 01:24:47 AM * FHOKH - minimum altitude factor for cat heating IMHO, there is no need to touch FHO* and other F (faktor) constants. Because unit of measurement for F* is usually pressure divided by some other pressure. Let's take FHOKH as example. In FR fho_w is compared with FHOKH. (If fho_w > FHOKH and B_hag then ... do something)What is up with this? It isn't a pressure value. In britishturbo's files, it isn't even halved... it's just set to zero. And what about the rest of the FHOs? FHODSL - SAI? FHODTEA - Tank ventilation FHOE - "substitute value for altitude?" FHOKOB - AC compressor? fho_w is calculated (roughly) as pu_w/1013 We already divided pu_w by 2 and divided 1013 by 2, so fho_w factor should stay the same after conversion... (1/2)/(1/2) = 1/1 ;) Therefore no need to modify FHOKH and other FHO* constants. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: NOTORIOUS VR on September 20, 2015, 07:53:28 AM Latest 2.7t (8D0) M-box reference bins (as of 2015-07-15) (Big thanks to britishturbo!) Note that the britishturbo files (http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.msg31965#msg31965) have a few minor errors: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.msg63024#msg63024 Added my changed files below, along with definitions with scaled factors, maps, and various code changes. Have you tried these files yet? It seems like the O2 sensors don't work at all using your 3 BAR file. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: masterj on November 13, 2015, 03:02:40 AM Guys, which map sensors are you running to get 5bar of absolute pressure? :o
To me it looks like we can run either AEM universal 5bar map sensor or oem 4bar (0 281 006 060)? BTW: what about 0 281 002 420? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: turbojohan on January 27, 2016, 12:20:28 PM I was thinking about this for a bit...
Did anyone try to cut everything in half and make diagnostic steps x2? So it will read actual pressure over OBD? If no one tried yet i'll take emulator and try to make it work. Than you can run 4 bar MAP sensor and read 4000 mbar over obd without boost cap. Johan Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on January 27, 2016, 12:25:07 PM I was thinking about this for a bit... Did anyone try to cut everything in half and make diagnostic steps x2? So it will read actual pressure over OBD? If no one tried yet i'll take emulator and try to make it work. Than you can run 4 bar MAP sensor and read 4000 mbar over obd without boost cap. I don't understand the question. What you just listed was a summary of this ENTIRE thread, and the 5120 project in general. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: turbojohan on January 27, 2016, 12:46:59 PM I have read all pages, so sorry for my ignorance if i have this all working already.
But i thought you read half of actual boost level in log over OBD.. Johan Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on January 27, 2016, 12:53:53 PM I have read all pages, so sorry for my ignorance if i have this all working already. But i thought you read half of actual boost level in log over OBD.. Johan ME7Logger can scale the signals however you want. Code: #!/usr/bin/perl Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: dream3R on January 27, 2016, 12:55:45 PM I have read all pages, so sorry for my ignorance if i have this all working already. But i thought you read half of actual boost level in log over OBD.. Johan The variable is half but the obd2 routines out half too so I fixed that. ME7l uses VAG diag routines not generic OBD2 just a mixup sorry :) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on January 27, 2016, 12:57:12 PM Have you tried these files yet? It seems like the O2 sensors don't work at all using your 3 BAR file. I've run those files, no O2 issues.... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: turbojohan on January 27, 2016, 12:57:42 PM yes, but i meant that obd gives right actual boost so you don't need to multiply afterwards in the log or in ME7logger.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on January 27, 2016, 12:57:53 PM The variable is half but the obd2 routines out half too so I fixed that. Do you have a patch I can add to the M-box bins posted in this thread? Thanks! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on January 27, 2016, 12:58:58 PM yes, but i meant that obd gives right actual boost so you don't need to multiply afterwards in the log or in ME7logger. Understood. I don't use VCDS for anything except logging adaptation values, but I can see how this would be valuable. I will add the changes to the M-box bins posted in this thread if somebody tells me what to mod :) Thanks, and sorry for the misunderstanding. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: turbojohan on January 27, 2016, 01:02:51 PM Ok, i'll try if i can figure it out than.
With diesels i do this all the time, obd protocol is 8bit so 255 steps and you tell steps to be bigger so not max out at 2601 mbar, but make it as high as you want (with lower resolution..) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on January 27, 2016, 01:07:19 PM Ok, i'll try if i can figure it out than. With diesels i do this all the time, obd protocol is 8bit so 255 steps and you tell steps to be bigger so not max out at 2601 mbar, but make it as high as you want (with lower resolution..) which amounts to the same thing as the ME7L changes: i believe to get full range you'll have to tell VCDS that it is scaled differently, or you'll max out at 2550 again! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: turbojohan on January 27, 2016, 01:09:27 PM The variable is half but the obd2 routines out half too so I fixed that. ME7l uses VAG diag routines not generic OBD2 just a mixup sorry :) So you got it working already, nice work! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: spacey3 on January 29, 2016, 02:34:38 AM Hiya guys, I saw this thread bumped up the other day and it gave me a kick up the backside to finally give it a go.
Spent a full day on it yesterday (I've read it many times before though) and it works flawlessly so far! Just need to get a larger MAP sensor now (although annoyingly I had mine die on Saturday so had to buy a new 2.5 bar one then :( ) Big thanks to all who have put effort into this! For what it's worth, I've done it without asking any questions, although you need an understanding of it (i.e. it's not for lazy people looking for a quick fix) it's all there in the threads. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: armageddon on February 03, 2016, 04:11:51 PM I spent some time trying to implement this hack to RS4 8D0907551F
I used nyet's xdf and I assume KFURL conversion factor is wrong, it was 0.000003 when it should be 0.0000025 I also created a table for KFLDRQ2 Axis that was missing I could not find some maps/scalars: DPVLMS CWGGPBKV PUEBKV Not sure if these 2 scalars are correct, although I'm not sure if they need to be changed: DPBKVEVKEP -> 0x1F932 FBKVP -> 0x1F93C I did not test this yet, maybe sunday, but if someone could take a look and check if is ok... *thanks to everyone involved in this project Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: dream3R on February 06, 2016, 04:01:54 PM Do you have a patch I can add to the M-box bins posted in this thread? Thanks! No it wasn't on MBox or even Audi but was on ME7 lol Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: giles92 on February 07, 2016, 09:37:26 AM Has anyone executed this on a ME7.1.1? I have 551r ecu and most of this pertains to the s4 me7.1 and the 1.8t me7.5. Just curious if it is completed in the same manner just with different addresses or if theres fundamental differences like additional or different variables that need editing? If someone has a 5120'd 551r just kicking around id be willing to purchase the rights to use it....Otherwise Im gonna try and make my way through it and share it with the other BEL's in the community. I cant be the only one who wants this on an a6/allroad.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: armageddon on February 07, 2016, 10:50:11 AM Has anyone executed this on a ME7.1.1? I have 551r ecu and most of this pertains to the s4 me7.1 and the 1.8t me7.5. Just curious if it is completed in the same manner just with different addresses or if theres fundamental differences like additional or different variables that need editing? If someone has a 5120'd 551r just kicking around id be willing to purchase the rights to use it....Otherwise Im gonna try and make my way through it and share it with the other BEL's in the community. I cant be the only one who wants this on an a6/allroad. 4Z7907551R? look at page 30 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: giles92 on February 07, 2016, 01:58:12 PM Idk how i missed that :o well that just made things easier.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Ionut on March 05, 2016, 03:49:24 PM Sorry, maybe it is noob question but if I want to implement 3 bar map so I must increase and decrease respective values also 2x and 1/2 or maybe 1,2x and other divide value? Same hack x2 and /2.Only change is on sensor calibration, that will output other voltage at same pressure value. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: mbwiejska12 on March 18, 2016, 12:25:50 AM Same hack x2 and /2. Only change is on sensor calibration, that will output other voltage at same pressure value. Thanks for reply. Which map is to calibrate this sensor? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: aef on March 18, 2016, 02:48:35 AM If you only change to another map sensor you have to change:
DSVDRGRAD DSVDROFS Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: mbwiejska12 on March 19, 2016, 11:48:26 AM I've tried to do this hack on S3 1.8t with 3 bar map sensor and on normal flash (2.5 bar map) with 3 bar map sensor I have actual boost 990mbar and desired boost 820mbar. On 5120 hack flash (Asembly 1013 changes and multiply and devide by 1.2) with 3 bar map sensor I have actual boost 820mbar and desired boost 700mbar.
I think it should go the other way. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: giles92 on April 18, 2016, 05:22:56 PM Heres a log i took after installing the 4 bar map sensor with the values below.
(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t532/Cameron_Rayburn/5120run3_zps6a0vj7ov.png) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/Cameron_Rayburn/media/5120run3_zps6a0vj7ov.png.html) When using 5120 XDF DSLGRAD 875 DSLOFS 62.50 Baro pressure was 495 which is half what it should be. Actual boost is following the desired but theyre staggered. Im trying to determine whether my issue is with my 5120 file or just my me7logger .ecu file. I looked over the 551m .ecu file posted and did the same conversion adjustments of doubling the pressure variables. However in that .ecu file they did not double PU, PVDK, and PVDKDS values of 5 10 and 10. All the others conversion values are doubled around it from .0390625 to .0781250. (http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t532/Cameron_Rayburn/ecuconversions_zpszzo3e5kb.png) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/Cameron_Rayburn/media/ecuconversions_zpszzo3e5kb.png.html) Im running the 551r 5120 file posted on this thread. Also flashed a stock bin onto my car with the 4 bar map sensor dslofs and dslgrad and logged the proper amount of 995 mbar baro pressure. If i adjust the conversion value for PU (baro pressure) by X2 it should read correct right? It seems off that the .ecu file for me7logger on this thread would have that change if it were necessary. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: slappynuts on May 01, 2016, 05:49:19 AM So I ordered up some of these.I will be machining up some drop in housings on my little cnc machine in my garage. I may not have a lot of code skills, but I would be happy to donate my machining and welding skills to get projects rolling.
http://www.amazon.com/FREESCALE-SEMICONDUCTOR-MPXH6400AC6U-PRESSURE-SENSOR/dp/B005T58440/ref=sr_1_2?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1462106752&sr=1-2&keywords=mpxh6400ac6u Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: b4A4nowA6 on May 04, 2016, 01:10:16 PM So I tried to use the 551r hack file and transfer all of my relevant information from my Stg3 tune I am running. First time i used my previous .xdf and the 5120bin. I forgot that the bin ws already scaled and made changes to those maps. Car ran smooth but would Not go past 5psi if I was lucky. Re-tuned: I used the 5120.xdf, fresh 551r.bin hack and Only made the changes to (kfzw,temin,kfmirl,iop,ldr, ect,ect) load, fuel, timing, injectors, and deleting my egts . This time the car ran like Crap. boost started to come on strong but immediately had a bunch of misfires and a code for the pressure senor. not sure what I am doing wrong until... There are many, many places where you have multiply and divide... in ASM, not in maps. Is this the cause? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on May 04, 2016, 08:03:12 PM Is this the cause? Not sure how many times we can say the same thing, since the entire point of this thread (from post 1), is the ASM hacks, since the map changes are obvious. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: b4A4nowA6 on May 04, 2016, 09:36:55 PM Thanks Nyet. Sometimes 1 more time is all it takes to click lol. Thank you To Everyone involved for all the help and information throughout the community.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: giles92 on May 08, 2016, 07:33:43 PM Im using that 551r file with great results with 4 bar vw sensor set map DSLGRAD to 875 and DSLOFS 62.50 (make sure you're using a 5120'd XDF.) I would log ambient pressure and see if your map sensor is reading properly.
I tested and solved my issue a couples posted back. There were a few more p variables i needed to double in the .ecu file for me7logger. Correctly reading the right pressure and boost levels now. Ive attached the .ecu file with values for the 551r 5120. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: b4A4nowA6 on May 10, 2016, 11:33:28 AM Thanks man. I will have a look. Appreciate it
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Escy on May 15, 2016, 02:28:29 AM Please excuse my ignorance, i'm new to this, have read all 36 pages but it's going over my head at the moment. I'm still at the build stage at the moment (Audi 2.7 into a Boxster) so haven't yet tried to get my head around the software side of things.
I'll be using a Zeitronix ZT-2, will I be able to use this hack with this 5 bar sensor http://www.efi-parts.co.uk/index.php?productID=268 and can it be shared between the ECU and the Zeitronix? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: giles92 on May 15, 2016, 06:42:08 PM If it is linear and has 0-5 v output i bet it can be scaled to work with the ecu. May take a couple tries to get it to read accurately. The 4 bar vw one will be a plug in fit to your ecu harness and wont have any guess work associated with calibrating it.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: mbwiejska12 on May 27, 2016, 01:38:15 PM I've done hack on BAM 1.8t. I have 3 bar map sensor. Baro pressures on vcds are equal but VCDS are logged 820 mbar pressure so it is devided as I done in pressure maps.
I have another problem. I have on LDRXN flat 180 value so I should have about 1.1 bar boost. I have over boost, cause on my boost gauge I have 1.5 bar peak and this drop to about 1.4 bar and I don't have any throttle cut or anything. Whats going on? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: mbwiejska12 on May 27, 2016, 02:20:37 PM Of course on WOT requested boost equal actual boost (1.1 bar logged) so why boost is additional 0.4 bar?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on May 27, 2016, 03:41:37 PM Of course on WOT requested boost equal actual boost (1.1 bar logged) so why boost is additional 0.4 bar? Impossible to tell w/o logs, plus there is no way of knowing if you got the hack right. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: mbwiejska12 on May 28, 2016, 12:46:56 AM I will do logs tommorow.
Hack I've done multiple and devide pressure maps by 1.2 to suit them to my map sensor and DSLOFS , DSLGRAD is calculated to 3 bar map and devided by 1.2 and 1013 hpa assembly points are devided by 2? Maybe they also should be devide by 1.2? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: dream3R on August 04, 2016, 06:36:06 PM any scalar would work but iirc prj suggested 50% as it's easy and plenty.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: monk-e on September 24, 2016, 06:35:44 AM Hi would any one be able to direct me to the location of the 1013 divisions on a 081H file please
I believe I require : pvdk_w #1 or #2 fvpdkds #1 or #2 fho_w frhodkr_w Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nubcake on September 26, 2016, 05:32:12 PM Understood. I don't use VCDS for anything except logging adaptation values, but I can see how this would be valuable. I will add the changes to the M-box bins posted in this thread if somebody tells me what to mod :) Thanks, and sorry for the misunderstanding. I didn't play much with the OBD communication protocol, but here's a quick hack to make VCDS display "proper" (and not halved) values with 5120 mod: Valid for M-box only! 0x6A338: change 7D to FA 0x695B0, 0x69416 and 0x6B646: change 7C 84 F1 C8 to EA 00 6E A3 0x69402: change F3 FC 43 8B EA 00 BE E6 to F2 F4 84 A2 EA 00 6E A3 Now VCDS will display proper values (but likely will still max out at 2550ish - not sure, need to test this). EDIT2: Added overflow control. It's not very elegant, but should work. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: TijnCU on November 03, 2016, 08:21:55 AM Definatly related to the ASM divisions, ask me how I know lol ;D I noted that in your OLS you have the asm division fvpdkds, but this should be fpvdkds.In my own 1.8t disassembly, the first occurance of #287h is going into pu_w, and the second occurance goes into fho_w. The last 3 are (I think) the correct values for the fpvdkds and fho_w divisions. Is this the mistake you made, britishturbo? Oh by the way, nice work ;D I hope to need this hack in the near future. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on November 03, 2016, 08:40:58 AM I didn't play much with the OBD communication protocol, but here's a quick hack to make VCDS display "proper" (and not halved) values with 5120 mod: Valid for M-box only! 0x6A338: change 7D to FA 0x695B0, 0x69416 and 0x6B646: change 7C 84 F1 C8 to EA 00 6E A3 0x69402: change F3 FC 43 8B EA 00 BE E6 to F2 F4 84 A2 EA 00 6E A3 Now VCDS will display proper values (but likely will still max out at 2550ish - not sure, need to test this). EDIT2: Added overflow control. It's not very elegant, but should work. This will still max out at 2601mbar you need to change the formula. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: TijnCU on November 09, 2016, 03:08:57 AM Here is a map pack for my software including asm divisions and seperate 5120 maps folder:
Audi A4 1.8T 4B0906018CA 0261206917 0003 Factors have not been altered in this map pack by the way, but maybe it is nice to do this after modification of the bin. There is a division of pu_w in the file, I left this one untouched for my initial test since there is no mentioning of this one in the files I've seen.. I just collected a bunch of divisions from my disassembly. ** Since my test worked, this division is now removed from the map pack. I reworked my own file now, for test. I just dont really understand the logic applied to ZDSU. It is a time constant, why would you change this? In Bissche's file it is set to 12, in the txt file it says sqrt/multiply by 2. Now that would yield a new value of around 3.5, since the original value is 3. The FR says it is 5. I left it at 3 in my file for now, since I dont expect this constant to work against the hack. * Did a testrun today, and everything works as expected. Awaiting 3 bar sensor for 2560+ test. added *.ecu file with 5120 mods and original (unmodified) bin. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Ionut on November 21, 2016, 01:55:11 PM Tried file posted here on forum, 4B0906018CH 0261207216 360101 on my newly rebuilt AJQ engine (with wiring harness and ECU from an Euro 4 engine).
Rescaled KRKTE for my 1000cc injectors with no luck. Car won`t start. Has spark, but injectors aren`t opened at all (after emptying 2 batteries few drops of fuel are visible on manifold). With same file, but without hack and KRKTE recalibrated engine starts very easy. Is there any version of file for 018CH with 5120 hack that works 100%? Thank you. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: adam- on November 22, 2016, 02:39:25 AM If you thought cranking it for so long that you've drained two batteries, you need to revise stuff. :)
If it doesn't start after 10 seconds, find out why. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Ionut on November 22, 2016, 08:23:55 AM All wiring harness was built from scratch, also the engine was rebuilt after 2 years from dissasemble, so i`ve initially thinked is my fault :) Checked every wire, every signal with multimeter and then with osciloscope and ended up to think is wrong software. This is not original ecu. Original ecu was for narrow band lambda.
That`s why i`ve tried to start engine multiple times. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Ionut on December 20, 2016, 12:50:41 PM Tried with file posted above by our colleague, 4B0906018CA 0261206917 0003.
Engine won`t start even with correct KRKTE. Measuring blocks are wrong. No useful informations in first 60 blocks, just some vehicle speed, knock voltages and few more informations, but nothing about boost, maf, temperatures, etc, so i guess this is not compatible with my hardware. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: TijnCU on December 20, 2016, 02:32:15 PM On what ecu did you test it? Same platform?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Ionut on December 20, 2016, 10:50:22 PM 0261207216 hardware, ME7.5 from an AWT engine. I know HW number is different, but I wanted to give it a try.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: TijnCU on December 30, 2016, 06:21:00 AM I prepared a 512kb 1.8t APX file for the 5120 hack, I will do a test later today and if it is good I will post the file here as well. I am using a 3 bar map, but mostly into this hack for the added ps_w :)
* It twerks! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: TijnCU on December 30, 2016, 09:10:51 AM This one goes out to all y'all 512kb peoples :P
Here is the prepared 225hp APX file, if you want to use it, please verify that all needed maps in this file are changed (either halved or doubled) : Code: [%BBKHZ] Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: armageddon on April 12, 2017, 01:24:05 AM I'm trying to implement the 5120 hack to a RS4 551K but without sucess
Something is missing or wrong, cause I can't get actual to meet requested and throttle reduced to 50% If someone could take a look... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: armageddon on April 13, 2017, 02:21:03 PM Can't edit the attachements, so new reply...
Did some changes and now it's working :) Time permitting I will add an xdf with the maps used, in the mid time, if someone sees something that could be changed,... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on April 13, 2017, 02:37:24 PM Might want to fix your .ecu so it scales the pressure vars correctly.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: armageddon on April 15, 2017, 01:46:38 PM As promised here is the xdf and ecu file
maps are divided/multiplied by 2 or with instructions Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: grifrowl on June 13, 2017, 06:26:45 PM As promised here is the xdf and ecu file maps are divided/multiplied by 2 or with instructions You might check the .ecu file again. Some of the pressure variables were missed. I'll test your described 5120 changes from the second post in a few moments here. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: armageddon on June 14, 2017, 03:55:40 AM You might check the .ecu file again. Some of the pressure variables were missed. I'll test your described 5120 changes from the second post in a few moments here. such as? Thats what me7info give. If you are going to use 4bar sensor DSLGRAD and DSLOFS are wrong, it should be 437.5 and 31.25 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: grifrowl on June 19, 2017, 12:48:45 PM Poorly phrased on my part. Some of the pressure variables didn't have correct multipliers in your .ecu.
I ended up working from your tuner pro change logs in tuner pro cause of my slightly different application. I've been having some issues with spikey sub 2200rpm boost request at times. I'll post logs if I cant get it figured in the next few days. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: fknbrkn on July 18, 2017, 07:07:25 PM just my 2c
kwp1281 vcds fix to show actual pressures with ida search for 'mov rl6, plsol' typically it looks like mov r8, #12h mov rl7, #0FAh mov rl6, plsol ; desired pressure ... mov r8, #12h mov rl7, #0FAh mov r4, pvdks_w ; actual pressure .... change both parts 12 to 08 ; FA to FC mov r8, #12h -> mov r8, #08h ( E6F8 1200 -> E6F8 0800) mov rl7, #0FAh -> mov rl7, #0FCh (E7FE FA00 -> E7FE FC00) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: armageddon on October 26, 2017, 10:32:42 AM Poorly phrased on my part. Some of the pressure variables didn't have correct multipliers in your .ecu. I ended up working from your tuner pro change logs in tuner pro cause of my slightly different application. I've been having some issues with spikey sub 2200rpm boost request at times. I'll post logs if I cant get it figured in the next few days. is it all working fine? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: grifrowl on November 04, 2017, 04:25:16 PM is it all working fine? Yeah let me see if I can update your XDF with my changes. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: grifrowl on November 04, 2017, 09:25:46 PM Yeah let me see if I can update your XDF with my changes. Check for completeness pls. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: sonflasch on November 06, 2017, 04:25:18 AM if someone needs it
Email-Information from Bosch Automotive Aftermarket Map sensors data sheet -> 0281002316 -> 0281006059/02810060 -> 0281002401 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: armageddon on November 06, 2017, 12:40:33 PM Check for completeness pls. thanks for your feedback, will add those changes to mine and see how it behaves. I guess the most relevant will be KFVPLGU as I ony divided the axis and some times part throttle was not so good. MSNPCV is missing on yor updated xdf edit: are you sure about DSUOFS location? I get it at 0x1BF68 insted of 0x1C1C0... Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: grifrowl on November 07, 2017, 12:51:12 PM MSNPCV is missing on yor updated xdf Open msnpcv and you'll see why. ;)edit: are you sure about DSUOFS location? I get it at 0x1BF68 insted of 0x1C1C0... 1bf68 is correct.If you knew the method I used to create this .xdf, the reason for errors would become clear. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: grifrowl on November 07, 2017, 01:20:18 PM Revised .xdf
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: sonflasch on January 06, 2018, 08:51:24 PM Revised .xdf Hey in your XDF under KWP1281 Patch "pvdks_w" address="0x83320" "E6F81200 E7FEFA00" to "E6F80800 E7FEFC00" "pvdkds_w" address="0x856F0" "E6F81200 E7FEFA00" to "E6F80800 E7FEFC00" "ps_w" address="0x834BE" "E6F81200 E7FEFA00" to "E6F80800 E7FEFC00" "plsol" address="0x83310" "E6F81200 E7FEFA00" to "E6F80800 E7FEFC00" this is no working for my on my RS4 with 3bar map sensor an 5120 hack. with no KWP1281 Patch all work ok, vcds thay ~500mbar in idle (baro,ps,plsol) with your KWP1281 Patch is ps and plsol in idle 1250mbar I have a thinking error? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: sonflasch on June 01, 2018, 05:58:31 AM Hey in your XDF under KWP1281 Patch "pvdks_w" address="0x83320" "E6F81200 E7FEFA00" to "E6F80800 E7FEFC00" "pvdkds_w" address="0x856F0" "E6F81200 E7FEFA00" to "E6F80800 E7FEFC00" "ps_w" address="0x834BE" "E6F81200 E7FEFA00" to "E6F80800 E7FEFC00" "plsol" address="0x83310" "E6F81200 E7FEFA00" to "E6F80800 E7FEFC00" this is no working for my on my RS4 with 3bar map sensor an 5120 hack. with no KWP1281 Patch all work ok, vcds thay ~500mbar in idle (baro,ps,plsol) with your KWP1281 Patch is ps and plsol in idle 1250mbar I have a thinking error? Vcds patch "pvdks_w" address="0x83320" "E6F81200 E7FEFA00" to "E6F80800 E7FEC800" "plsol" address="0x83310" "E6F81200 E7FEFA00" to "E6F80800 E7FEC800" this is working for my on my RS4 551K with 4bar map sensor Boost in vcds correct display (2x) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: aef on November 14, 2018, 02:30:31 PM I must have overlooked something.
Car is running a bit nervous, jerky and is ultra sensitive on little accelpedal moves. On wot it drives like normal and everything looks fine from the logs. At the beginning of the logs there is a difference in desired lambda, i think because of AC on in one of the runs. Lambdacontrol goes crazy in the 5120. What is wrong here? attached both logs, one with 5120, one without, same day, same time thx in advance Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: aef on November 20, 2018, 01:11:37 PM found another missing map but didnt change much
attached is a log with clutch in and out, accelpedal on and of, slow driving in first gear and so on revs on its own :( Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: aef on November 26, 2018, 02:58:37 AM anyone willing to support here?
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: spacey3 on November 26, 2018, 04:21:21 AM anyone willing to support here? Post your file and I'll take a look through it for you. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: aef on November 26, 2018, 05:01:19 AM thx alot
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: spacey3 on November 26, 2018, 05:31:38 AM thx alot From a quick look, it appears you've missed the ASM changes as per here - http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=12744.0 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: BlkSerialKilla on January 16, 2019, 10:49:57 AM I may have gotten this working correctly for 518AK SW 0003 :)
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on January 24, 2019, 05:08:56 PM I reworked my own file now, for test. I just dont really understand the logic applied to ZDSU. It is a time constant, why would you change this? In Bissche's file it is set to 12, in the txt file it says sqrt/multiply by 2. Now that would yield a new value of around 3.5, since the original value is 3. The FR says it is 5. I left it at 3 in my file for now, since I dont expect this constant to work against the hack. The sqrt(x)*2 thing does't make much sense... http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=13364.msg122181#msg122181 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: dream on February 05, 2019, 01:43:25 AM I finally got the 5120 hack running on my 1.8 H-box after the 1013 divisions, did some testing yesterday and it was holding steady at 1.9bar (28PSI) @ my pressure gauge.
I was running into 50% opening blade issue @ wped=100. This really got me stuck for some time. I have been reading this thread all over and I couldn't find anyone who may have got into the same problem. Now BoobyTrap pointed me into the right direction for this. There are 2 options for this to overcome, 1st easiest one is to set CWPLGU from 0 to 1 which will cause to pu_w to calculate plgru_w instead of plgruo_w to calculate plgru_w. This is the same thing for plgrus_w. The second option is to divide the tables and axis from map KFPLGUB and KFDPLGU as they use ps_w and pssol_w as input (which has been divided by 2 because of the 5120 hack). (Correct me if im wrong) Anyway regards for BoobyTrap for pointing in the right direction for this cause. http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=12744.msg110216#msg110216 I am now running with 0 281 002 316, 4 bar map sensor. I still need to do some calibration with the map sensor because I am not seeing same pressure in the logs as I see on my gauge and I can see my mixture is leaner than whats in my flash. Running now with DSLGRAD 352 and DSLOFS 104 but I see somehow a difference of my new calculated DSLOFS 144,37. I couldn't make a good log yesterday because of the rainy weather which caused lots wheelspin. Going to get myself the RS6 recirc valve and make it circulate back to intake again and get my MAF working again, but that's still a work in progress. Will update soon with logs. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on February 06, 2019, 11:31:17 AM A few other possible map changes on ME7.1 (2.7t)
DIFFMAX (pus_w) - probably should divide by 2, but stock probably won't hurt - just makes diag less sensitive PUSMAX (pus_w) - We're allowing double pressure, so leave alone PUSMIN (pus_w) - probably should divide by 2, stock is 450, and 900 is likely not so good at altitude? Again, this probably just makes diag less sensitive than stock PSAPES (used instead of pus_w when CWPKAPP bit 0 is set to 1) - leave alone unless you need CWPKAPP for something NDLDIAPU axis (pu) -probably should divide by 2, stock is 600/1000, and 1200/2000 is likely wrong - only two output RPM values (2600 for high altitude and 2160 for low) so maybe it doesn't matter; if we leave it alone we'll always see 2600. Either way, for big turbos, the RPM needs to be shifted up anyway. DPVDKDWG (pvdks_w - pu_w) - ? listed but not in my mappack? HSLDSUA (pu_w) Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: sonflasch on February 21, 2019, 02:02:21 PM A few other possible map changes on ME7.1 (2.7t) DIFFMAX (pus_w) - probably should divide by 2, but stock probably won't hurt - just makes diag less sensitive PUSMAX (pus_w) - We're allowing double pressure, so leave alone PUSMIN (pus_w) - probably should divide by 2, stock is 450, and 900 is likely not so good at altitude? Again, this probably just makes diag less sensitive than stock PSAPES (used instead of pus_w when CWPKAPP bit 0 is set to 1) - leave alone unless you need CWPKAPP for something NDLDIAPU axis (pu) -probably should divide by 2, stock is 600/1000, and 1200/2000 is likely wrong - only two output RPM values (2600 for high altitude and 2160 for low) so maybe it doesn't matter; if we leave it alone we'll always see 2600. Either way, for big turbos, the RPM needs to be shifted up anyway. DPVDKDWG (pvdks_w - pu_w) - ? listed but not in my mappack? HSLDSUA (pu_w) PUSMIN must be changed necessarily. had the problem because a friend lives a little higher. Car run very bad Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: IVANVXR on March 02, 2020, 03:06:21 AM HI people
Is it nessecary to divide MSNPCV axix by 2 or I can fill axis with lowered hpa? I'am running 5120 hack on 06A906032HS with little of bug but relative is okay. Thanks Regards Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: KAWIMAN34 on August 25, 2020, 02:57:36 PM Does anyone know the Hex address to change the x-axis for KFDLULS?
I am trying to make the values half of what they are but I haven't been able to find an xdf parameter for it. I have spent hours trying to understand how to locate the Hex address in the file but I am stumped. Maybe someone can give me a shove in the right direction? Attached are snip-its of what I am trying to do. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: jdm on August 25, 2020, 04:24:14 PM The address you are looking for is 0x198FD, 1 byte/8bit with conversion 10*X on an mbox file.
Looking at your screenshot, the x-axis in your table definition likely already had the reference you were looking for. Open your table properties, select the Columns tab. If your "label source" parameter is set to internal (or linked), the address and associated parameters will be defined on the right side of that tab (eg, address, data size, conversion). Note those down, create a new table defining the address, data size and other parameters on the general tab, select the rows tab and set number of rows to the appropriate size (8 in this case) with label source set to external, and input the conversion for this table on the conversion tab. You now have a table containing this axis values. Worth noting if you did not create the XDF yourself, the above assumes whoever created it had correctly defined it - at your own risk! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: KAWIMAN34 on August 25, 2020, 04:48:52 PM The address you are looking for is 0x198FD, 1 byte/8bit with conversion 10*X on an mbox file. Looking at your screenshot, the x-axis in your table definition likely already had the reference you were looking for. Open your table properties, select the Columns tab. If your "label source" parameter is set to internal (or linked), the address and associated parameters will be defined on the right side of that tab (eg, address, data size, conversion). Note those down, create a new table defining the address, data size and other parameters on the general tab, select the rows tab and set number of rows to the appropriate size (8 in this case) with label source set to external, and input the conversion for this table on the conversion tab. You now have a table containing this axis values. Worth noting if you did not create the XDF yourself, the above assumes whoever created it had correctly defined it - at your own risk! It was in front of me the whole time. :o . Geez, thank you. I see your point. I was using NYET's stock M-box file with 3-bar map incorporated. The first picture i attached is my file, the second picture is the compare values with his which are halfed. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Jannik07 on March 25, 2021, 05:00:44 PM Hello chaps!
I have issues with the 5120 Hack for my 551 K box file (RS4). Maybe someone can check it ? Car runs like shit when I flash that file. I double checked everything but cant point out whats wrong... Thanks !!! Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: mophk on May 07, 2021, 02:25:35 PM Hello chaps! I have issues with the 5120 Hack for my 551 K box file (RS4). Maybe someone can check it ? Car runs like shit when I flash that file. I double checked everything but cant point out whats wrong... Thanks !!! What happens exactly? Im trying to do a 551g with 5120 but my car rpm jump around on idle Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: armageddon on May 08, 2021, 05:01:24 AM Hello chaps! I have issues with the 5120 Hack for my 551 K box file (RS4). Maybe someone can check it ? Car runs like shit when I flash that file. I double checked everything but cant point out whats wrong... Thanks !!! Did not check your file, but follow my instructions on post 490 and report back Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Jannik07 on May 10, 2021, 09:28:45 AM Thanks !
I sorted it out. I think there where one or two values missing. I started from scratch and now it works. But maybe you can help to show right values via VCDS? In your XDF there is a KWP Patch. But I think that wont work with my 3 Bar Sensor. @mophk If you have a 551G ECU you can easily flash the 551M file. If you look through the Forum you will find the already hacked one. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: armageddon on May 10, 2021, 04:39:54 PM The sensor used has nothing to do with a pach to read right with vcds, not my pach but basically it double the values(that are halved by 5120 hack) so it shows correct pressure...
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Jannik07 on May 11, 2021, 12:14:52 AM Ah ok. Thank you. I will try again !
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: mophk on May 17, 2021, 04:25:22 PM @mophk If you have a 551G ECU you can easily flash the 551M file. If you look through the Forum you will find the already hacked one. I need to keep the immo on. 551m does not do any good for me. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: armageddon on May 19, 2021, 02:42:42 AM I need to keep the immo on. 551m does not do any good for me. You can always upgrade to K-box, only small changes needed like maf, throttle and componentes delete. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: mophk on June 06, 2021, 08:32:16 AM as far as I know, the 551m file on the repo from Nyet does not work. the RPM isnt stable either. I have not tested this myslef yet, but someone tried the premade file from nyet and it did not work.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on June 06, 2021, 03:19:03 PM as far as I know, the 551m file on the repo from Nyet does not work. the RPM isnt stable either. I have not tested this myslef yet, but someone tried the premade file from nyet and it did not work. No clue what you are referring to. It isn't as if ME7.1 is a mystery. Any such problems should be trivial to find and fix. Especially since I'm running that file (or a variant of it for larger turbos). Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: mophk on June 21, 2021, 05:54:00 PM No clue what you are referring to. It isn't as if ME7.1 is a mystery. Any such problems should be trivial to find and fix. Especially since I'm running that file (or a variant of it for larger turbos). Would you be able to post the working one? I'm currently without a test car but a confirmed working file vs the repo file would make my life easier. don't get me wrong, I saw few times that you had problems with mixed up files. or maybe give a count of changes done for the 5120 on your file? once i have my car ill be able to troubleshoot it a bit more but I just wanted to make sure, the code is correct Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on June 21, 2021, 06:28:43 PM All 5120 changes are documented in the pk/xdf.....
if i get a chance i'll post a few binaries. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nupustas on October 17, 2021, 04:26:32 AM Hi,
Before 5120 hack, i installed 3bar sensor, set DSLGRAD/DSLOFS and everything was ok, done about 1000km with no issues and up to 1,5perc fuel trims. After 5120 hack, i have pulsing rpm, no torque at low rpm. Throtlle is closing, when rpm drops. Noticed, that fho_w (AltitudeCorrectionFactor) 0,48-0,49, while with no-5120hack file fho_w about 0,99-1,01. This is may be problem? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: prj on October 17, 2021, 11:01:04 AM Sounds like someone forgot to change the ambient pressure sensor scaling.
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nupustas on October 17, 2021, 11:24:17 AM Sounds like someone forgot to change the ambient pressure sensor scaling. Thanks for reply. I followed every step by Bische's project text file in first post(at first, tried with S4Wiki list, but it's not full), and in 30+pages didint noticed (maybe missed) additional info. Maybe you are talking about KFDPLGU/KFPLGUB?Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Blazius on October 17, 2021, 03:22:11 PM Thanks for reply. I followed every step by Bische's project text file in first post(at first, tried with S4Wiki list, but it's not full), and in 30+pages didint noticed (maybe missed) additional info. Maybe you are talking about KFDPLGU/KFPLGUB? No,hes talking about DSUGRAD and ofs... it is prolly reading ~500 mbar or so which drives the correction factor, if you did the hack according to text file you cant miss it. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: fknbrkn on October 17, 2021, 04:01:45 PM A quick question
Has anyone had experience with 06A906032HF file? Its a tip copy of popular HJ file which im done a few times Those HF which im usually used for a dsg conversion and now its time for 5120 but the engine stalls after 1 sec Its not immo issue, works well wo 5120 Wdkba is always 0 (dk soll too, i didnt remember its acronym) Asm changes applied as usually, checked it twice with ida Ill post logs later but maybe anyone already been in that case Thx in advance Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: Blazius on October 17, 2021, 04:56:13 PM A quick question Has anyone had experience with 06A906032HF file? Its a tip copy of popular HJ file which im done a few times Those HF which im usually used for a dsg conversion and now its time for 5120 but the engine stalls after 1 sec Its not immo issue, works well wo 5120 Wdkba is always 0 (dk soll too, i didnt remember its acronym) Asm changes applied as usually, checked it twice with ida Ill post logs later but maybe anyone already been in that case Thx in advance Stall after 1 sec? prolly dumb idea but that sounds awfully like checksums or some checking kill command if values/logs check out, recently on one file(code mods etc.) i had bad checksums which me7sum didnt fix, winols fixed it. What do you sum with? edit: Didnt read the DK issue part, still worth a check tho Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nupustas on October 17, 2021, 08:16:54 PM No,hes talking about DSUGRAD and ofs... it is prolly reading ~500 mbar or so which drives the correction factor, if you did the hack according to text file you cant miss it. Thanks. Yes, my car shows 0,5bar while not running/at idle. I thought it's normal (because of divided DSLGRAD/OFS).So now i should get 1,0bar ambiente pressure? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: fknbrkn on October 18, 2021, 12:59:29 PM logs here
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: _nameless on October 18, 2021, 02:45:48 PM hj is immo 2 and hf is immo 3. hf is a awp north american file
Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: fknbrkn on October 18, 2021, 03:13:21 PM hj is immo 2 and hf is immo 3. hf is a awp north american file immo is switched off in eepromno dtcs related to immo stored no injector cutoff condition works well without 5120 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nupustas on October 19, 2021, 07:00:08 AM Finally i got my first car running on 5120hack :D
Problem was stupid - after 1013 division correction, i didin't saved file. I made few kilometers and car runs like before 5120 hack, no fault codes, fuel trims in 1perc range. But where is one open question about KFDPLGU/KFPLGUB: BTW, I think I got my 1.8T running with 5120 hack. I used BOSCH 0281006059 (03K906051) sensor. Done some limited testing already and so far looks good! There is a couple of 1.8T 5120 xdfs floating around but none of them covered the issue I was seeing; my throttle plate was not opening to 100% on WOT. Turns out there is a map called KFPLGUB which is used instead of ambient pressure for calculating pressure ratio across the throttle plate (used in throttle maps) if CWPLGU = 0. Apparently on most cars CWPLGU = 1, hence this map is not mentioned in the 5120 hack threads, but on mine this was set to 0. I think the solution is to either divide both the axis and the table by 2 or change CWPLGU to 1. I've done both just to be safe and now the throttle behaves correctly. Unfortunately I cannot upload the xdf as the forum tells me that the site storage is full! If you'd like to have a look send me a PM. I devided in my file KFDPLGU/KFPLGUB axis/map like BoobieTrap reccomends. Everything looks good at the moment. Should i leave it devided, or back to stock. P.S. Set CWPLGU to 1 in my opinion bad idea, because KFVPDKSD/E maps depends on it Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nupustas on October 27, 2021, 08:59:31 AM Update.
5120 hack works great. Up to now, i was running with divided by 2 KFDPLGU/KFPLGUB maps and pressure axis; and today decided to try stock values. And it's terrible - throttle plate angle max 50percent. I think there will be useful information. Maybe worth to add this at S4wiki P.S. You can download my file with 5120hack here: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=20105.msg149516#msg149516 Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: blairl on May 04, 2022, 12:32:08 PM if someone needs it Email-Information from Bosch Automotive Aftermarket Map sensors data sheet -> 0281002316 -> 0281006059/02810060 -> 0281002401 Just wanted to say thanks for this. Confirmed my numbers on 0 281 002 401, couldn't find it by searching for some reason though so I figured I'd post Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: IAmAnEngineer on May 09, 2022, 10:40:54 AM Hi,
I've read through the whole thread multiple times and tried to set the 5120 hack up for my AUM on GT2871R Turbo. Currently running 1,8 bar (2800 bar absolute) in open loop at 92% N75, so far absolutely fine at around 400hp. I'm using a 3 bar 0281002976 bosch sensor, part number 038906051C. But when running 5120 hack, I get a strange reading in my logs. The max value of boost is just 1090 mbar. Multiplied by 2 it is 2180mbar - but I'm running 2800mbar actually..? I expected it to be 1400mbar to match my actual boost. Can anyone take a look at my file? May I've overseen something? Why do I get wrong log values? ??? File attached is simplified a bit. Thanks in advance. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: nyet on May 09, 2022, 12:08:52 PM ps vs ps_w
Dont use VCDS. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: maxXAM on September 06, 2022, 12:31:24 PM hi guyes
i had flashed my s4 m box with nefmoto stage 2 tune about year ago and its been runnig perfect since then so iam intersted with this hack can i add this hack to the stage 2 tune file and flash it back to my car ? Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: noggyftw on October 12, 2022, 08:02:42 AM hi guyes i had flashed my s4 m box with nefmoto stage 2 tune about year ago and its been runnig perfect since then so iam intersted with this hack can i add this hack to the stage 2 tune file and flash it back to my car ? Yes, you could do that, hope you're not on k03's still though, they won't be too happy with you if you use the 5120 as intended! Grab the xdf from nyet's post and get to it. http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3027.msg29815#msg29815 Alternatively, grab one of his base files and then copy over your stage 2 settings. Probably the easier route imho. Title: Re: The 5120 hack - Running up to 5bar absolute pressure on ME7.x Post by: zCruuz on October 12, 2023, 08:40:11 AM A quick question Has anyone had experience with 06A906032HF file? Its a tip copy of popular HJ file which im done a few times Those HF which im usually used for a dsg conversion and now its time for 5120 but the engine stalls after 1 sec Its not immo issue, works well wo 5120 Wdkba is always 0 (dk soll too, i didnt remember its acronym) Asm changes applied as usually, checked it twice with ida Ill post logs later but maybe anyone already been in that case Thx in advance where you ever able to solve this? tried 5120 on 032hj and got the same result. |